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  • NATO

    18 23.68%
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    7 9.21%
  • EU

    10 13.16%
  • USA

    11 14.47%
  • Russia

    10 13.16%
  • Ukraine

    9 11.84%
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    33 43.42%
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    3 3.95%
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    11 14.47%
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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    We need to leave those people alone. If Russia wants to help suppress the illegal coup d'état, with the agreement of the legitimate leader of the Ukraine, there actions are justified and they should not be obstructed.
    Legitimate leader? are you aware at ALL the events that took place before this whole thing spiraled out of control?

    the guy in charge was legally elected. then he did a bunch of bad stuff like shooting protesters in the street with weapons that the police were not supposed to have.
    THEN the parliament impeached him, and he was removed because he was found guilty. According to how their constitution works he is not a member of the official government any more. He is now on trial in abstencia for crimes against humanity which includes mass murder and treason and armed rebellion against the legitimate government in kiev.
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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Politicalunrest View Post
    The fact that russia has not left South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and has for all intents and purposes annexed the two small sections of land that by all rights belongs to Georgia, shows their expansionist tendencies. Not to mention the brutal way that the campaign was handled by Russian generals in the first place. It is rumored that rape and murder of civilians was tolerated if not encouraged by the upper echelons of the russian military to teach the Georgians a lesson. The whole dam thing happened because the Georgians wanted to build an oil pipeline into the rest of Europe and challenge russia. the whole "Georgians are opressing the ossetia and Abkhazia people" was just the excuse.

    Believe me the russians want their territories back and they will get it if not stopped. this will turn into another pre ww2 if the world doesn't do something about it.
    Please advise us on what steps the world should be taking?

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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Because America and Europe have never infringed on anyone's sovereignty. Ever.

    Anyone who disagrees is a Communist. And they hate America. And they're fat.
    what exactly are you referring to here? i would like to know. because going to war against a tyrant, who murdered his own people, and going after the people who killed thousands of american non combatants is not legitimate? huh...
    Oh.. you must be referring to older.. more historic abuses... i get it. But you have to understand, we don't live a hundred years ago. we are talking about right now, and past mistakes or indiscretions have no bearing on how we should move forward. realize mistakes, learn from them, move on.... dwelling on them, or allowing them to paralyze our international policy is dangerous. besides when has america in the last hundred years, taken actual land from people? this is what russia is trying to do.
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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Politicalunrest View Post
    what exactly are you referring to here? i would like to know. because going to war against a tyrant, who murdered his own people, and going after the people who killed thousands of american non combatants is not legitimate? huh...
    Oh.. you must be referring to older.. more historic abuses... i get it. But you have to understand, we don't live a hundred years ago. we are talking about right now, and past mistakes or indiscretions have no bearing on how we should move forward. realize mistakes, learn from them, move on.... dwelling on them, or allowing them to paralyze our international policy is dangerous. besides when has america in the last hundred years, taken actual land from people? this is what russia is trying to do.
    Again, please share with us your plan on what the world, or selected parties that are able, supposed to do. Please provide some specifics if possible, particularly if the proposals involve military action.

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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    Again, please share with us your plan on what the world, or selected parties that are able, supposed to do. Please provide some specifics if possible, particularly if the proposals involve military action.
    I honestly dont know if anything could be done at this point. The only thing that we could have reasonably relied upon was MAD to stop another super power provoking and attacking its smaller neighbors, but with the way our leadership currently is in the USA, i don't think Putin is really afraid of them. I think HE doesn't think that our leaders have the gumption to actually back up any threats.

    it will take another president to take control, if the USA were to get involved. as it is now, i think maybe NATO as a whole, or the EU might be able to threaten something that will get russia to back off.... i dont know what... but maybe.
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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Politicalunrest View Post
    Legitimate leader? are you aware at ALL the events that took place before this whole thing spiraled out of control?

    the guy in charge was legally elected. then he did a bunch of bad stuff like shooting protesters in the street with weapons that the police were not supposed to have.
    THEN the parliament impeached him, and he was removed because he was found guilty. According to how their constitution works he is not a member of the official government any more. He is now on trial in abstencia for crimes against humanity which includes mass murder and treason and armed rebellion against the legitimate government in kiev.
    Their Constitution requires an impeachment be approved by the Constitutional Court. This has not happened, so he remains the legitimate leader of the country. We shouldn't support a blatant violation of the seperation of powers, it's un-democratic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Politicalunrest View Post
    what exactly are you referring to here? i would like to know. because going to war against a tyrant, who murdered his own people, and going after the people who killed thousands of american non combatants is not legitimate? huh...
    Oh.. you must be referring to older.. more historic abuses... i get it. But you have to understand, we don't live a hundred years ago. we are talking about right now, and past mistakes or indiscretions have no bearing on how we should move forward. realize mistakes, learn from them, move on.... dwelling on them, or allowing them to paralyze our international policy is dangerous. besides when has america in the last hundred years, taken actual land from people? this is what russia is trying to do.
    1) Failure to extradite is not legitimate grounds for invading another country, unless you think the central powers were justified in WWI.

    2) If the morality of a government is a measure of whether or not an invasion is justified, we lose on account of our murder of 5000 unborn people every day.

    3) How is Russia trying to annex land?

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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Now that the tension around Ukraine is rising, who do you think is justified sending troops in Crimea, Ukraine?

    Putin proposes to send Russian armed forces to Ukraine | Reuters
    No one, especially not us (the US). Keep that asshat Kerry busy elsewhere, we want nothing to do with this one.

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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Politicalunrest View Post
    I honestly dont know if anything could be done at this point. The only thing that we could have reasonably relied upon was MAD to stop another super power provoking and attacking its smaller neighbors, but with the way our leadership currently is in the USA, i don't think Putin is really afraid of them. I think HE doesn't think that our leaders have the gumption to actually back up any threats.

    it will take another president to take control, if the USA were to get involved. as it is now, i think maybe NATO as a whole, or the EU might be able to threaten something that will get russia to back off.... i dont know what... but maybe.
    That I think is the REAL damage being done to the US here (my emphasis above). Putin by doing this, marginalizes the US and he knew he could do this because he probably guessed right as to what our WH is capable of and has gauged correctly that the US population has war fatigue and has no stomach for any type of military engagement especially not with Russia and for a kicker, especially not over Ukraine or Crimea. The worst thing that can happen is a united EU / US / G-8 economic sanction which will take a while and could be dissuaded via political channels and relationships within the EU countries.
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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    I would LOVE to see the UN engage.

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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I would LOVE to see the UN engage.
    You just want to see that inevitable train wreck ... evil evil!
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