View Poll Results: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

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  • NATO

    18 23.68%
  • UN

    7 9.21%
  • EU

    10 13.16%
  • USA

    11 14.47%
  • Russia

    10 13.16%
  • Ukraine

    9 11.84%
  • Nobody

    33 43.42%
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    3 3.95%
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    3 3.95%
  • None of my business

    11 14.47%
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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    The problem with this viewpoint is you're looking at war like some cosmic test of manhood. It's just risk v reward (or should be, sometimes leaders can fall into the problem that you just exhibited). Of course when the risk is lesser, the rewards don't need to be as great, and action is more likely to occur. When the risk is greater, the rewards need to be greater, and thus action is less likely to occur.

    It's not about nation-states being "tough" or being "pussies" lol. It should be viewed through a rational analytic process. Not through analogies about recess.
    I think you misunderstood me, its not about being the toughest kid on the block, every nation is always looking out for their own interests and in Russia's case it views its neighboring countries as satellites in order to protect itself against all enemies real and imagined. The US on the other hand, is torn between trying to promote its brand of liberal democracy and trying to maintain the status quo as well as attacking its own enemies real and imagined- but only if it can be done without too much effort- Ukraine however will be quite a bit of effort so thats why I dont believe the US and NATO will do anything.

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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Now that the tension around Ukraine is rising, who do you think is justified sending troops in Crimea, Ukraine?


    Putin proposes to send Russian armed forces to Ukraine | Reuters



    Since the Ukraine is the Ukraine, I guess that the Ukraine is justified in sending troops there.

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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    It's more like a bunch of little kids are ganging up on each other and the United States beats them up until they stop.
    Except for the times where we encourage the bullies.

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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Except for the times where we encourage the bullies.
    That's not in the cards... we have little to no credibility. Any line in the sand would be laughed at, so there's literally nothing we can do other than try to gather support for Russia's isolation and Cold War II.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Now that the tension around Ukraine is rising, who do you think is justified sending troops in Crimea, Ukraine?

    Putin proposes to send Russian armed forces to Ukraine | Reuters
    Denmark.

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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Crimea...the Russians are already there.

    The Ukraine...no one.

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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    And this...is why certain ex-Soviet blocs joined NATO when they had the chance. To think we'd allow Russia to invade countries we are bound by treaty to defend is irrational.
    We are not bound by treaty to militarily defend Ukraine.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    We are not bound by treaty to militarily defend Ukraine.
    Yes, I know, that's why I mentioned that they're not a member of NATO.

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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Yes, I know, that's why I mentioned that they're not a member of NATO.
    Ok, reviewed all your posts together, my bad. Our views are almost identical on this matter.
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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    You have absolutely no idea what the Russian plan is. The possibility exists of course, but right now we are operating without information. In the 2008 war with Georgia, the Russians did not occupy any additional land beyond Ossetia and Abkhazia.
    The fact that russia has not left South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and has for all intents and purposes annexed the two small sections of land that by all rights belongs to Georgia, shows their expansionist tendencies. Not to mention the brutal way that the campaign was handled by Russian generals in the first place. It is rumored that rape and murder of civilians was tolerated if not encouraged by the upper echelons of the russian military to teach the Georgians a lesson. The whole dam thing happened because the Georgians wanted to build an oil pipeline into the rest of Europe and challenge russia. the whole "Georgians are opressing the ossetia and Abkhazia people" was just the excuse.

    Believe me the russians want their territories back and they will get it if not stopped. this will turn into another pre ww2 if the world doesn't do something about it.
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