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  • Ukraine

    9 11.84%
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Thread: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Russia is a repressive despotism that's at odds with our interests. We cannot allow them to dictate the future of a European country that's close to becoming a member of the EU and NATO, and we cannot abandon the idea of territorial integrity if they try to break away Crimea.
    I think you're over-reaching and considering wasting resources on something that is not so bad and has very little upside. Russia is not going to start slaughtering Ukrainians, institute dictatorship or otherwise lose their minds over this. Under Russia, Ukraine will be no worse off than Venezuela. Not a regional crisis and not our business.

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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I think you're over-reaching and considering wasting resources on something that is not so bad and has very little upside.
    I don't think any military forces should be deployed at this stage (other than Ukraine's, obviously), especially not in Crimea. If it goes beyond what has happened now, diplomatic and economic pressure should be placed on Russia by EU and NATO countries. If it becomes a conflict, it would be beneficial to deploy Eurocorps to parts of Ukraine in order to prevent an all-out invasion or bombing campaign by Russia.
    Russia is not going to start slaughtering Ukrainians, institute dictatorship or otherwise lose their minds over this. Under Russia, Ukraine will be no worse off than Venezuela. Not a regional crisis and not our business.
    This has been a strategy of Russia since before Putin came to power. If a former Soviet republic tries to leave the Russian sphere and pursue its own interests, Moscow uses overt military force to punish them and intimidate others, and perhaps grab some of their territory.
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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    nobody should send troops, especially not the Russians but if they do, it is in their back yard and we cannot risk going to war over the Crimea.
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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Now that the tension around Ukraine is rising, who do you think is justified sending troops in Crimea, Ukraine?

    Putin proposes to send Russian armed forces to Ukraine | Reuters
    None of our business and hopefully we stay out.
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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Appeasement and the threat of aggression to international stability exist as much today as they did during World War II. If they didn't exist in 1939 there also wouldn't have been a WWII.

    That being said, this should be a primarily European Union responsibility, seeing as Ukraine is in their own backyard and that the revolution was pro-EU. We should aid them, especially if Russia backs a separatist movement in Crimea, but we should only send in troops (through NATO) if Russia makes incursions beyond Crimea.
    We should stay out of it, this is Russia's "backyard" and Russia will do what they feel is in their best interest without any opposition. Sure the EU will publicly voice their disapproval, but privately they will be calling Putin on the phone and saying, "please don't turn off our gas Mr. Putin", so there isn't too much hope for that changing the equation.

    Here is the thing: Putin still respects the United States and our militarily and economic power. Why wouldn't he? He is a pretty intelligent and cautious man. However what Putin does not respect is our current administration. Just look how stupidly Obama and Kerry dealt with Assad in Syria, so why would Putin for one second believe that this administration could show leadership effective enough to solidify support with the EU to deter Russia from what they believe are in their interests in the Ukraine?

    This is Russia's game, not ours. Our president never even checked in when it comes to international strategy. Putin has a clear hand to move any chess piece he wants, and if he is as smart as I think he is, he will be moving more before the chance of a power change in Washington occurs.

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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Give peace a chance.

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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Lets see, NATO, only has a few members that has troops that actually know which end of a gun the bullet comes out of, disorganized idiots, 16+ Different people involved with every decision and you couldn't exclude the surrender monkeys.

    UN, ok, Russia has veto power, and outside of a few countries, they would make the majority of NATO look like well trained elites and the French would still be handing out white flags to everyone.

    EU, right. Brits are the only ones with enough troops who actually know what they are doing to be of any good, although not enough to stand up to Russia alone and yet again, there is the issue of which side the French will actually be on.

    USA, good luck there. We are cutting troops and equipment, cutting troops pay/benefits which is really going to up their morale. We have very little if any military leadership that knows more about war than about kissing ass and sucking DNC dick. We have a pro-socialist, wanna-be-dictator cowardly pussy as a president.

    Russia, they are sending more there with little chance of anyone but some Ukrainians standing against them.

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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    None of our business and hopefully we stay out.
    I believe (although I could be wrong) that we are treaty obligated to defend Ukraine.
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    Re: Who should send troops in Ukraine?

    I don't think we can afford a war that comes with liberal rules so it might as well be Russia.
    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Now that the tension around Ukraine is rising, who do you think is justified sending troops in Crimea, Ukraine?

    Putin proposes to send Russian armed forces to Ukraine | Reuters

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