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Thread: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    No, he took the carrot approach... 15bil of it. And under Yanukovych, 37bil of russian loans went "missing". So... it's a pretty big bribe.
    ..wow..

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    ..wow..
    Russia has just 2 approaches. The carrot and the carrot and the stick approach.

    The carrot approach is the one described above... it's why so many politicians (even that are now in the opposition) are rich as all hell. To put that in perspective, Ukraine only has 170bil $ gdp. 37bil $ worth of loans went "missing"... that's nearly 20% of the GDP.

    The other approach is the carrot and the stick approach by which Russia takes a carrot, sticks it up the ass of <name of country/person/etc>, then takes the stick and shoves it in deeper then takes that carrot and sticks that up the ass too and shoves it in deeper with the stick, and leaves the stick in there too. It's quite a lot of homosexual imagery... for a very anti-homo country.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Dig a little deeper, Watson. We care about their oil, not the people.
    Yeah, gotta dig real deep for that tired old BS.

    How much oil did we get from Iraq? None. Contracts? None.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    That is how I understand the hesitancy.

    But on another issue since you brought up "Assad." What if this is a pre-trade agreement? Russia has Crimea but with the condition of getting off Syria?
    The issues cannot be conflated. Russia's border, and its status as a mostly western nation, put this conflict beyond US priorities.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    The terrorists were there from the beginning.
    Obviously. And they were a minority among the rebels until they became the only source of security for the rebels because the West turned away.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Not terribly worried, likely the new direction taken by our military and government will avoid U.S. interference beyond financial support and diplomatic rhetoric. It seems we may have finally learned the lessons of our recent past....don't send in the SWAT team for a domestic dispute.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Every country should deal with its internal affairs. That's the point of sovereignty, isn't it, eco?
    When people are being crushed beneath the iron boot of brutal murderous oppression, that regime loses its right to sovereignty. You are confusing a people and a dictator. US intervention returns sovereignty to the people, who are its rightful owners.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The issues cannot be conflated. Russia's border, and its status as a mostly western nation, put this conflict beyond US priorities.
    Remains to be seen if Russian troops move from Syria and leave Assad to the allies unguarded. If Russians take Crimea than you can be certain that an agreement took place.
    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Stats come out and always show life getting better. News makes money in making you think its not.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Russia has just 2 approaches. The carrot and the carrot and the stick approach.

    The carrot approach is the one described above... it's why so many politicians (even that are now in the opposition) are rich as all hell. To put that in perspective, Ukraine only has 170bil $ gdp. 37bil $ worth of loans went "missing"... that's nearly 20% of the GDP.

    The other approach is the carrot and the stick approach by which Russia takes a carrot, sticks it up the ass of <name of country/person/etc>, then takes the stick and shoves it in deeper then takes that carrot and sticks that up the ass too and shoves it in deeper with the stick, and leaves the stick in there too. It's quite a lot of homosexual imagery... for a very anti-homo country.
    LOL!

    You got your point across. :P
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Remains to be seen if Russian troops move from Syria and leave Assad to the allies unguarded. If Russians take Crimea than you can be certain that an agreement took place.
    Russia can take Crimea and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do about it. They've no need for an agreement.

    The world is not going to 'coalition of the willing' against a mostly western nation dealing with its own border.

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