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Thread: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    You don't turn down a Putin offer lightly. And when he holds a billion dollars of your family treasure? Give the guy a break. He doesn't need a horse's head.
    I could see Putin as the Russian Godfather.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't get it, people. Assad slaughters 100k and gasses the capital, and people don't want to get involved. A mostly western nation intervenes with an instability issue on its border and NOW people want to do something? That doesn't make any sense. WTF kind of priorities are those?
    There is no "good" faction to support in Syria.
    the rebels are islamists who want sharia and kill alawites and christians.
    The FSA is inexistent and has been for a long time now.
    The kurds are separatists who want to take NE Syria.
    And Assad is a dictator who lost all legitimacy. You tell me now, eco, who will you have supported? None. The only course of intervention in Syria is to destroy all those 4 groups and give the people democracy. And that means long time occupation, another Iraq basically.

    In Ukraine, that's not the case now. There is a right course of action and there are correct choices -> the pro-EU protesters and the people they trust are the ones we need to be supporting. There is a chance for an easier happy ending, and a quicker happy ending to this. There is no easy way with Syria.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Have you really not figured out yet that the west doesn't give a **** about the middle east?

    I don't think it's that... my thoughts are above.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I meant... Russia is nowhere near despotic enough for the US to go intervening in a country on its border.

    I'm not siding with Russia, I'm accepting priorities based on global context. It would be monumentally stupid for the US to go pissing off a mostly western (and powerful) nation regarding instability on its border.

    Do I want to intervene in Syria? Yes. Do I want to nation build Iran? Yes. Do I want to interfere with Russia regarding instability on its border? No, I'm not stupid.
    I understand hesitancy but Russia has always and always been a despotic bully.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    I understand hesitancy but Russia has always and always been a despotic bully.
    It's no Assad.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    There is no "good" faction to support in Syria.
    Sure there is, and it was the majority until we allowed terrorists to fill the void created by our lack of helping them.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Have you really not figured out yet that the west doesn't give a **** about the middle east?
    All evidence is to the contrary, even if we did allow the democratic movement in Syria to die.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's no Assad.
    That is how I understand the hesitancy.

    But on another issue since you brought up "Assad." What if this is a pre-trade agreement? Russia has Crimea but with the condition of getting off Syria?
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    All evidence is to the contrary, even if we did allow the democratic movement in Syria to die.
    Dig a little deeper, Watson. We care about their oil, not the people.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Sure there is, and it was the majority until we allowed terrorists to fill the void created by our lack of helping them.
    Every country should deal with its internal affairs. That's the point of sovereignty, isn't it, eco?

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Sure there is, and it was the majority until we allowed terrorists to fill the void created by our lack of helping them.
    The terrorists were there from the beginning. What happened is that very soon... and quite in an insidious fashion, the overtook the FSA and there is no recovery from that.

    Let me put it in a way you understand. By the time McCain said those words " give the right guns to the right people without puting boots on the ground" or something along those lines, there were no more "right people".

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