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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    If the United States decides to act in order to protect its citizens on foreign soil...it generally agreed upon by the world body as required or acceptable.
    In this case we have the opposite.



    Who is going to do anything about this (To Russia.)?

    Who wants to go to war with Russia over this?

    I don't see any volunteers.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by fred68 View Post
    I wasn't aware that the military was sent to other countries to rescue americans. Do you have a list of these times the military did this?

    My experience in traveling is that if you're in trouble in a foreign country, you are on your own and better have a lawyer.
    Around 2009, Israeli military boarded a ship in international waters and kidnapped a former US congresswoman and 2008 presidential candidate. They kept her and several others in prison, and where was the U.S. Military? Nowhere to be found. Obama? Raising money somewhere. She was finally released, but the military didn't rescue her.



    A lot of people aren't aware of a lot of things.

    Do your own research and reading, it's all easy to find if you understand how to use the internet.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I don't know why we're not talking more about the situation in Ukraine on this site.

    A few days ago, I responded to one of the threads by wondering aloud whether Putin was going to put up with the West encroaching on a former Soviet satellite. I compared the situation to Georgia a few years ago, when the Russians went in. In fact, that was at an Olympics as well if I recall.

    It turns out I was right, and I'm not happy to say that.

    Anyway, I have learned to generally ignore the news, but after hearing the Russian military is now in Crimea I have sat up and taken notice.

    If you watch Obama's press conference addressing the issue, he looks visibly shaken and maybe even scared. And he probably should be, this is the biggest moment in his presidency.

    This is much more important than Obamacare, more important than Benghazi, any of that trivial stuff.

    I'm going to put it bluntly. I'd say there's about a 15% chance that this situation causes World War 3. It's literally that serious.

    What you have to do is look at it from Russia's perspective. If Ukraine goes westward, joins the EU, joins NATO.... all things the Russians fear.... then it's essentially Russia admitting defeat. It's Russia's sphere of influence shrinking for all the world to see.

    That may not be a forgivable offense in the eyes of the Russian people. That might mean Putin's head on the chopping block, and you can bet your ass he sees it that way too.

    Not only are the soldiers in Ukraine, a Russian spy ship just docked in Cuba 100 miles from Miami. The ship poses no harm, but it sends a message and I think that message is loud and clear and you don't need me to spell it out for you.

    The fact that Russian soldiers are somewhat covertly in the Russian section of Crimea should tell you one thing: it's not a full-blown attack, the Russians are dipping their toes in the water to feel it out.

    They're waiting. Waiting to see what Obama and the West do in response. Testing us.

    Show weakness and the Russians will simply take Ukraine. That will have catastrophic consequences. We would never be able to turn a satellite country our way again, because they would know they aren't protected. It's no coincidence that the Ukrainians are asking the UK and the US for protection... and we must give it to them.

    To fail to do so would strengthen Moscow and weaken Washington in a way we haven't seen since the 70's. The world does not need that. On the other hand, we must at all costs avoid backing Russia in to a corner they can't get out of, because if Putin must fight a war to maintain the status quo in terms of balance of power then I'm not so sure we can discount that possibility. We all know how catastrophic that could be for both sides.

    So this should concern you. You should pay attention to this situation as it unfolds. It may all fizzle out and amount to nothing, let's hope it does, but it has the potential to change the world in ways we can't begin to comprehend.
    Maybe if we just let them take the Ukraine, they will stop there. Has worked in the past....
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I'm going to invoke Poe's Law and assume that this was sarcasm. Besides, a majority of Crimeans are Russian.
    But Crimea is part of Ukraine.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Besides, a majority of Crimeans are Russian.
    The majority of residents of Marbella are Russian too. Should we be worried?
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    The majority of residents of Marbella are Russian too. Should we be worried?
    Marbella, Spain?? I am aware of no imminent or ongoing invasion of Spain.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Worried? Nope, not in the least.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Marbella, Spain?? I am aware of no imminent or ongoing invasion of Spain.
    Then you haven't been paying attention. Some invasions aren't achieved with tanks, but with dirty money.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Then you haven't been paying attention. Some invasions aren't achieved with tanks, but with dirty money.
    Dude--really? Obviously whatever's supposedly going on in Marbella has more effect on you than it does on me, but that's a terrible reason for sidetracking this thread.

    That being said, if there's something we need to know about regarding Marbella, I encourage you to start a thread on it. I'm not trolling here--if there is a legitimate problem that few people in the world are aware of, the first major step to solving that problem is to break the silence.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Dude--really? Obviously whatever's supposedly going on in Marbella has more effect on you than it does on me, but that's a terrible reason for sidetracking this thread.

    That being said, if there's something we need to know about regarding Marbella, I encourage you to start a thread on it. I'm not trolling here--if there is a legitimate problem that few people in the world are aware of, the first major step to solving that problem is to break the silence.
    You may be over-analysing, and that's the enemy of satire.
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