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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Ukraine has nothing to do with Syria. Stop trying to thread hijack.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The Ukraine is not going to give up it's seaports over this. Odessa is as much (or more) of a commercial port than Sevastopol.
    Indeed, Ukraine would not appreciate that big of a nerf to their shoreline. But Russia may not give them a choice about this. Ukraine looks more and more like they're forced to either give up a sure field goal or a possible touchdown. Without help from the West, there's a significant risk that standing firm would lead to that touchdown--or rather, breakdown.

    The Crimea was barely included in the Ukraine as it was. It has a special designation compared to other regions and is relatively independent of the Ukrainian government.
    Yup. Hell, the Crimeans practically welcomed the Russian invaders. When's the last time anyone has responded like that? It's been awhile...
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Yes, I see a likelihood of nuclear weapons and weapons of mass destruction proliferation to other countries. Ukraine gave up the 3rd largest nuclear arsenal in the world upon promises of assurances of the integrity of their borders. They now have paid the price of not being a nuclear power.

    No nuclear power has been invaded or attacked. Dozens of non-nuclear powers have. Easy enough lesson for any country to understand. There is no deal, negotiation or treaty for any country to not obtain nuclear weapons or give them up that should be seen as trickery.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I don't think Russia can maintain control of the Crimea and Ukraine if the situation devolves into another Chechnya.
    Yes.

    Russia has many troops that I heard topple up to 150 thousand. So they may take Kiev, but maintaining an occupied Ukraine would require more and would exhaust Russia out of its resources making it even weaker than before. Eventually it will have to let go but now in a crumbling state. It is then that I think that countries that are under Russian oppression as of now may then want to become independent also.

    Hence Russia better keep away from Ukraine for its own sake. Ukraine is armed and can fight and resist. Especially if kept under the light of media (i.e., not alone) and aided with some help.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Yes, I see a likelihood of nuclear weapons and weapons of mass destruction proliferation to other countries. Ukraine gave up the 3rd largest nuclear arsenal in the world upon promises of assurances of the integrity of their borders. They now have paid the price of not being a nuclear power.

    No nuclear power has been invaded or attacked. Dozens of non-nuclear powers have. Easy enough lesson for any country to understand. There is no deal, negotiation or treaty for any country to not obtain nuclear weapons or give them up that should be seen as trickery.
    This is only valid unless the treaty does not gets honored. If it gets honored then it can set a prelude to remaining nuclear countries.

    But even this much is damage enough.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Yup. Hell, the Crimeans practically welcomed the Russian invaders. When's the last time anyone has responded like that? It's been awhile...
    The Russians in Crimea are a minority of Ukraine. They can benefit special privileges as a minority in Ukraine. Perhaps the Russian army is there to make sure that they do.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Yes.

    Russia has many troops that I heard topple up to 150 thousand. So they may take Kiev, but maintaining an occupied Ukraine would require more and would exhaust Russia out of its resources making it even weaker than before. Eventually it will have to let go but now in a crumbling state. It is then that I think that countries that are under Russian oppression as of now may then want to become independent also.

    Hence Russia better keep away from Ukraine for its own sake. Ukraine is armed and can fight and resist. Especially if kept under the light of media (i.e., not alone) and aided with some help.
    Also, the impending sanctions will speed up the financial stresses of maintaining an occupied Ukraine. One can only hope Putin is wise enough to avoid collapsing Russia completely.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Ah, the Gordon Gekko school of morality.
    Lol.

    I wish I was that good.

    Actually, Gekko sold NASA stock short after the Challenger blew up (in the movie, if I recall).

    I owned my gold/silver years before this...besides, after the rough ride precious metals had last year, I need all the help I can get.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Also, the impending sanctions will speed up the financial stresses of maintaining an occupied Ukraine. One can only hope Putin is wise enough to avoid collapsing Russia completely.
    After supporting mass murderers such as Assad and Milosevic, I hope he is not!
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