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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    You really think a megalomaniac like Putin will stop at the Crimea and not demand a land bridge to it?
    Ok well maybe you are right
    Like I said, I have no idea what he's planning. I only suggest that annexing Crimea would be a reasonable place to stop considering there are military assets there making the intervention in that area somewhat defensible (not that I think it is justified). Considering the predictable outcry, he may feel Crimea is enough to digest for the moment. He's essentially got it without firing a shot to date, so he may consider that a tasty enough prize without risking all out war with Ukraine, and chilly relations with the West for decades to come.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Like I said, I have no idea what he's planning. I only suggest that annexing Crimea would be a reasonable place to stop considering there are military assets there making the intervention in that area somewhat defensible (not that I think it is justified). Considering the predictable outcry, he may feel Crimea is enough to digest for the moment. He's essentially got it without firing a shot to date, so he may consider that a tasty enough prize without risking all out war with Ukraine, and chilly relations with the rest for decades to come.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Chamberlain would have so much in common with you.
    Look, I'm just offering an idea about what Putin may be doing. I'm obviously not agreeing with it. I hope we punish Russia. That might mean a return to containment policies of the Cold War, and I'm fine with that. I'm not sure what you're advocating, but if it is WW3 then I suggest you take a hike.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Look, I'm just offering an idea about what Putin may be doing. I'm obviously not agreeing with it. I hope we punish Russia. That might mean a return to containment policies of the Cold War, and I'm fine with that. I'm not sure what you're advocating, but if it is WW3 then I suggest you take a hike.
    I'm not advocating WW3, I am afraid it might come about because of this. I see no reason for Putin to stop with the Crimea if he gets away with it Scott free. If he goes after more of the Ukraine he may get it and still no WW3 but then he WILL go after something else. Eventually someone will stand up to him and that's when all hell will break loose.
    I sincerely hope I am wrong, the parallels to what happened in the mid/late 30's is kinda scary though. Putin is even using the same excuses.

    BTW I have no clue what the appropriate response would/could be. I hope there is one and someone figures it out though, for everyone's sake.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    I'm not advocating WW3, I am afraid it might come about because of this. I see no reason for Putin to stop with the Crimea if he gets away with it Scott free. If he goes after more of the Ukraine he may get it and still no WW3 but then he WILL go after something else. Eventually someone will stand up to him and that's when all hell will break loose.
    I sincerely hope I am wrong, the parallels to what happened in the mid/late 30's is kinda scary though. Putin is even using the same excuses.

    BTW I have no clue what the appropriate response would/could be. I hope there is one and someone figures it out though, for everyone's sake.
    We have a lot of common ground here.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    You really think a megalomaniac like Putin will stop at the Crimea and not demand a land bridge to it?
    Ok well maybe you are right
    Are you not aware that the Crimea and Russia are separated by just 3km of water of the Strait of Kerch? No need for a corridor through eastern Ukraine.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Are you not aware that the Crimea and Russia are separated by just 3km of water of the Strait of Kerch? No need for a corridor through eastern Ukraine.
    Need? What need does Putin have for taking over the Crimea? It is an excuse to get what he wants, not a need. And what he wants is more and more power. I'm sorry but to assume that Putin will stop because he has gotten all that he wants is the height of naïveté. Did he stop with Georgia? As long as he thinks he can get away with it, he will try for more and more.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    We have a lot of common ground here.
    Perhaps you sound more hopeful than me though.
    I hope you are right and I am wrong.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    The escalation continues
    BBC News - New head of Ukraine's navy defects in Crimea
    http://www.mercedsunstar.com/2014/03...-invasion.html

    Not sure how reliable the 2nd article is however, so take it with a grain of salt until it is either confirmed or debunked.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Need? What need does Putin have for taking over the Crimea? It is an excuse to get what he wants, not a need. And what he wants is more and more power.
    Well...he's got his primary access to the Mediterranean Sea there. And big honking naval and military bases there- which may be likely to fall into less- friendly government control.

    But your hysterics are noted.
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