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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    I'm unaware that Ukraine is in violation of any UN resolutions or has attacked anyone. So no, military intervention is not justified.

    There are far more Spanish speakers along the border of the US and Mexico. Is that justification for Mexico to annex parts of the US? Clearly this is not a justification for any kind of military annexation.
    It is a justification based on emotion and nationalism instead of international law.



    Correct.

    It isn't a legal justification, but it helps people to understand why this is happening.

    Most of the people in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea have no problem with the Russian military because they are Russian themselves.




    I predict that Russia will have troops there for a long time.

    Who is going to make them leave?

    Not the Ukraine, not NATO, and not the USA.

    It's a waste of time talking about this. It is what it is and it's not going to change.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Russia has militarily conquered and taken Crimea. That's the bottomline.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Correct.

    It isn't a legal justification, but it helps people to understand why this is happening.

    Most of the people in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea have no problem with the Russian military because they are Russian themselves.




    I predict that Russia will have troops there for a long time.

    Who is going to make them leave?

    Not the Ukraine, not NATO, and not the USA.

    It's a waste of time talking about this. It is what it is and it's not going to change.
    I agree that not much can happen to change it. Ukraine understands that Crimea is lost. The question now is how far is Putin designing to go. Is that it, or does he have designs on other parts of Ukraine. I don't think Ukraine would passively allow Russia to annex parts of the Ukrainian mainland, but I could be wrong.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I am not familiar with the particular events surrounding Germany's invasion of Czechoslovakia in the 1930s. But I do now know about the deep divisions within Ukraine:


    Crimea is the peninsula that looks like an island to the southeast.

    Thankfully it appears that the pro-West/pro-Russia divide is a pretty clean one, unlike the complete cluster**** in Syria.
    Look up what happened in 1938 it echoes what is happening now. As to the divide I don't think it will be so clear cut and cannot imagine that Russia will be content with just the Crimea, they will want to have a land route to them as well. So look up the Danzig corridor while you look up what happened in 1938.
    Perhaps this will all end peacefully (I hope so) perhaps it will remain a localized problem (again I hope so) but it has the potential to go much bigger (Sincerely hope not)
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    I agree that not much can happen to change it. Ukraine understands that Crimea is lost. The question now is how far is Putin designing to go. Is that it, or does he have designs on other parts of Ukraine. I
    don't think Ukraine would passively allow Russia to annex parts of the Ukrainian mainland, but I could be wrong.



    Russia may occupy other Russian-speaking parts of the Ukraine. Who is going to stop them?

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    I agree that not much can happen to change it. Ukraine understands that Crimea is lost. The question now is how far is Putin designing to go. Is that it, or does he have designs on other parts of Ukraine. I don't think Ukraine would passively allow Russia to annex parts of the Ukrainian mainland, but I could be wrong.
    If Putin succeeds without any trouble at all, it will just increase the chances he does it again and again and again..... See my above post do you really think Putin will accept the Crimea alone without any land link to the rest of Russia?
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    If Putin succeeds without any trouble at all, it will just increase the chances he does it again and again and again..... See my above post do you really think Putin will accept the Crimea alone without any land link to the rest of Russia?
    So what's the EU going to do about it then?

    It's not the US's problem.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So what's the EU going to do about it then?

    It's not the US's problem.
    I honestly have no clue. That is part of the reason why I am worried
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So what's the EU going to do about it then?

    It's not the US's problem.
    Nor was Iraq. What's changed?
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Nor was Iraq. What's changed?
    Time, experience, fatigue.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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