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Thread: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Yes I see enough dander potential to keep an eye on it, while I fetch my marshmallows.
    But the US should leave it to the Europeans to divide Ukraine into West and East Ukraine, if that is what they and the Russians want. But the last thing we need now is to watch the present Commander in Chief lead a Charge of the Light Brigade.
    Time may be less forgiving of personal qualities. Besides, it is the democrats that are more militarily engaging compared to Republicans when viewed from here. Republicans are good for diplomacy instead. That is how it worked around here anyway.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Ukraine is not an ally of the U.S. in anything near the same way that some of the Pacific Rim nations are. I can't see how Beijing would take any lessons away from us letting a Russian sphere nation be bullied by Russia. I disagree there is a significant security risk to the U.S. This is Europe's deal, and they ought to handle it.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Hypothetically, if Kyiv falls (even in an symbolic way)... Beijing may see it as a chance to make it's moves on some of the unjust claims it made. Japanesse islands. Philipino national waters. South Korean national waters. All of those long-standing allies that the USA guarantees. So while you don't have to be worried about Moscow... you should be worried about beijing.
    Everything you say is true, but she should still absolutely be worried about Moscow. If USA and Russia went to war in Ukraine, Russia would win.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Why does everyone always **** themselves in fear when they're reminded that the global community isn't Heaven on earth?

    Am I a sociopath, or do I simply realise that conflict per se isn't the same thing as a mushroom cloud?
    If the thought of war between USA and Russia doesn't make you **** yourself, I don't know about sociopath.... but maybe your sense of realism is a bit out of whack.

    Russia isn't Iraq or even Vietnam. It isn't even Japan or Germany. It would by far be the most brutal and difficult war in the history of this nation.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Ukraine is not an ally of the U.S. in anything near the same way that some of the Pacific Rim nations are. I can't see how Beijing would take any lessons away from us letting a Russian sphere nation be bullied by Russia. I disagree there is a significant security risk to the U.S. This is Europe's deal, and they ought to handle it.
    If Russia can grab Ukraine, why not Kazakhstan? Why not Poland? Why not East Germany?

    This is why Obama is in a pickle. He can't show weakness, but, on the other hand, nobody wants a catastrophic war either. This war would make Iraq look like patty cake.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Ukraine is engaging in a healthy form of rebellion that is currently spreading anywhere that unjust government rules. I support their people's right to freedom and self-determination.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    The US and UK helped put the recently ousted Ukraine president in office. I've read that Putin was supportive of the Ukraine president and government. The news says the protestors in Ukraine are national fascists aka neo nazi's. The US and Russia still have a common enemy in these hooligan hitler wannabes, no?

    Unrest and uprising in Ukraine could directly effect and spill over into a Russia. So why wouldn't Russia be pro-active instead of re-active and make it's presence known?

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Russia has met his match in Ukraine. This is not Georgia. The freaking Russian bully cannot just occupy and treat lands that do not belong to them by force like it did in Georgia and none did much about it. This one has a fighting chance. This one can fight, is armed, and may only need some help while engaged.

    Russia better stay the F out of this one because if they lose a war here countries currently within Russia may follow. They are oppressed from the bully system just as well and may ask to be really free too!

    Now I know none wants neither to intervene nor to corner Russia out of fears of WW3. But Ukraine may no longer take being bullied from Russia neither! Perhaps intervention may come, but may do so when Ukraine and Russia start giving positive signals that they want us to intervene between them.

    How many in Ukraine support Russia though? I would hate to see civil war in Ukraine, that would be terrible.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Everything you say is true, but she should still absolutely be worried about Moscow. If USA and Russia went to war in Ukraine, Russia would win.
    Even if the US/EU stayed on the sidelines I'm not convinced Russia wouldn't be entering a military quagmire a la Afghanistan. The Ukraine military is substantial and Crimea has lots of anti-Russian Tartars to destabilise a long-term occupation of the Crimean peninsula. With just a Crimean occupation, Russia would have to deal with terrorism and a developed world military. Anything more than that and they're ****ed.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Even if the US/EU stayed on the sidelines I'm not convinced Russia wouldn't be entering a military quagmire a la Afghanistan. The Ukraine military is substantial and Crimea has lots of anti-Russian Tartars to destabilise a long-term occupation of the Crimean peninsula. With just a Crimean occupation, Russia would have to deal with terrorism and a developed world military. Anything more than that and they're ****ed.
    If the situation devolves in to a civil war within Ukraine where the West supports one side and Russia supports the other side, now you have a warzone right in Europe's backyard and I promise you, this war would not end quickly.

    It would be tragic, and hopefully some good diplomacy can avoid such a fate.

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