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Thread: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I could see Putin as the Russian Godfather.
    Oh, that is a job he can probably handle with his eyes shut.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Just saw the mainstream news on tv reporting about it too.

    Hope the situation doesn't get out of control.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Oooh, a "right to apply"!

    Ukraine was never close to satisfying the requirements.
    When Bulgaria and Romania started considering joining the EU, they weren't close to satisfying those requirements too. It took 4-5 years of hard work and reform to get there, but they did. It doesn't mean there aren't still problems, but the progress is visible.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    As I said in other threads I am worried about this crisis it doesn't feel like the others, somehow it feels worse.
    I hope it gets solved peacefully but I am not optimistic
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    When Bulgaria and Romania started considering joining the EU, they weren't close to satisfying those requirements too. It took 4-5 years of hard work and reform to get there, but they did. It doesn't mean there aren't still problems, but the progress is visible.
    And the EU has been burned by letting in too many borderline developed countries.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    And the EU has been burned by letting in too many borderline developed countries.
    Considering your astute contributions in the Europe subforum in the past, I'll take that comment as another one of the borderline ignorant comments that have flash but no real depth of substance or knowledge behind them.

    Soo... yeah. When you start posting comprehensive topics in the Europe subforum about the EU, then I'll take you seriously.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yeah? How much did that help Estonia?
    To what are you referring, exactly?
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Actually, the West massively supported the opposition movement aka "Orange Revolution" in 2004 and now again the now successful protests, because these protesters mainly located in west Ukraine are pro-Western.

    The east Ukrainians, on the other hand, mostly speak and feel Russian and are pro-Russian. The now ousted former president Yanukovich belonged to that camp. He was about giving up treaties with the West/EU and embrace Russia, which is what caused the opposition uprising this time.

    The uprising in Ukraine is hardly neo-Nazi or fascist, just one of the three opposition parties involved in the protests is, and the smallest at that. The two other major opposition (now governing) parties are somewhat moderate, but pro-Western.

    So the West has been and will probably continue supporting these pro-Western parties, even though an extreme right radical party is among them, while Russia will continue to support the pro-Russian toppled party, in classic proxy-war fashion.
    My bad, I had Viktor Yushchenko confused with Viktor Yanukovych.

    The nationalist faction is very aggressive. They could be a problem if they're part of the new opposition government. Is Yuliya Timoshenko, out of prison? Her release was one of the stipulations for joining the EU. But wasn't it her party that wanted to end the Ukraine Russian gas for naval base in the Crimea agreement? That would directly effect Russia's interests, no?
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    What worries me is the possibility of allowing Russia to invade another nation and oppress those people into a pro-Russian/soviet style government. If Russia gets involved then the rest of the world should as well to stop them.
    What I don't believe many take into account is that a surprisingly good majority of Ukrainians welcome a Russian take over. The US with its interests as they are isn't going to allow for too many of us to learn of this, all of our traditional news outlets crying the cry of freedom, oppression, and the evils of Putin's Russia.

    At the very least I'd say a partial annexation could be in the works.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    To what are you referring, exactly?
    Estonia took down a statue of a Russian Soldier, left there by the Soviets after WWII. The Soviets said the statue was supposed to stay there to remind the Estonians of their liberation, apparently the Estonians mostly remembered the mass-rapes. Russia's response was to launch a cyber attack that basically shut down the country. NATO's response was to say "Gosh, that's really awful. Man. Someone should do something about that...."
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