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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Yes. It's all over. Ah.... Russia will probably take more than just Crimea. All of East and SE Ukraine because it can... and because nobody can do **** about it. Really, nobody. It's Russia and it can do whatever it wants.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ukraine


    Let's not pretend that Ukraine ever had a clear path to membership.
    This wasn't a EU membership deal, it was a free trade agreement that would help the Ukrainian economy a great deal. Having access to a rich 500mil people market is a pretty big deal you know.
    Eventually, after a lot of hard work, it could have been a viable candidate for ascension. It had a chance.

    Some countries did manage to pull themselves up and become worthy of joining the EU. Bulgaria, Poland, Romania, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia... all of them countries that were under the boot of communism and there was massive progress done in a decade after 1989.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    This wasn't a EU membership deal, it was a free trade agreement that would help the Ukrainian economy a great deal. Having access to a rich 500mil people market is a pretty big deal you know.
    Obviously (I provided the citation, ya know), and they were never even close to that. There was never any real likelihood of Ukraine joining the EU, they couldn't even qualify for trade agreements.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Strangely, Russia is giving Yanukovich the cold shoulder. I would have agreed with you about them defending "the legitimate government", but for that. It is interesting, their game.
    Because Yanukovych is dead to them. He's of no use. He'll be given a nice villa in some suburban home in Moscow. They need a fresh face that isn't so universally hated as Yanukovych. You can't put him back in Ukraine and expect peace and happiness and stability. No.

    He served his purpose. He's useless now.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Obviously (I provided the citation, ya know), and they were never even close to that. There was never any real likelihood of Ukraine joining the EU, they couldn't even qualify for trade agreements.
    They did qualify for trade agreement. That meeting in Vilnius was to sign a trade agreement that Yanukovych turned down.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    They did qualify for trade agreement. That meeting in Vilnius was to sign a trade agreement that Yanukovych turned down.
    Re-read the citation I provided.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?
    I'm concerned that the people in Ukraine are going to have to endure a civil war with Russian intervention. Also, I'm concerned that the world will look to us to fix it while doing nothing itself. It will use that savings to provide health care and infrastructure to its citizens, while our own infrastructure is crumbling.

    Here's the solution :

    1. Crimea aligns with Russia. Let them go.

    2. If the world wants an army, it needs to build and fund one.

    3. Obama shouldn't be giving ultimatums to Russia. A Mexican civil war would be on us, and Russia would have no role. This one is on the EU.

    In other words, EU, it's your turn.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Re-read the citation I provided.

    In 2012, the EU signed deals on free trade and political association with Ukraine; however EU leaders have stated that these agreements will not be ratified unless Ukraine addresses concerns over a "stark deterioration of democracy and the rule of law", including the imprisonment of Yulia Tymoshenko and Yuriy Lutsenko in 2011 and 2012.[2][3][4][nb 1] On 25 February 2013, the EU set a three-month deadline for Ukraine to carry out the required changes to its justice and electoral systems in order to enable the formal signing of their agreements with the EU in Vilnius on 29 November 2013.[6]
    Ok. I read it the first time. Quit shoving it in my face like it means anything that counters my statements. It doesn't.

    Now you read this.

    Membership prospects[edit]

    On 27 February 2014 the European Parliament passed a resolution that recognized Ukraine's right to "apply to become a Member of the Union, provided that it adheres to the principles of democracy, respects fundamental freedoms and human and minority rights, and ensures the rule of law".[
    To clarify what I was saying. The treaty was going to be signed if Yanukovych hadn't backed off. The treaty was off the table in 2013, was back on the table in 2013. The only reason Yanukovych didn't sign is because he didn't want to. He broke the deal, get it?

    And 2 days ago, after democracy got reinstitued in Ukraine, the EU offered a big ****ing ray of hope for the Ukrainian people and something to strive for. You statement that there wasn't any real likelyhood of them joining the EU is utter nonsense. With enough work and dedication, they would have been viable candidates in half a decade or so.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Oooh, a "right to apply"!

    Ukraine was never close to satisfying the requirements.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I'm concerned that the people in Ukraine are going to have to endure a civil war with Russian intervention. Also, I'm concerned that the world will look to us to fix it while doing nothing itself. It will use that savings to provide health care and infrastructure to its citizens, while our own infrastructure is crumbling.

    Here's the solution :

    1. Crimea aligns with Russia. Let them go.

    2. If the world wants an army, it needs to build and fund one.

    3. Obama shouldn't be giving ultimatums to Russia. A Mexican civil war would be on us, and Russia would have no role. This one is on the EU.

    In other words, EU, it's your turn.
    Exactly, the Ukraine has been part of Russia for a very long time and before than it was divided between Poland and Russia. It has only became a Country in 1991. The Ukraine if Russia's and the EU's problem. Not ours.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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