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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Each one of those has a different geopolitical circumstance. You are essentially claiming a slippery slope, which in order to be valid, would require for there to be nothing to differentiate them.
    This is sort of correct and sort of incorrect. In order for this claim to be valid, it would require that the Russians perceive that the differences between the various sectors of their Near Abroad are not strong enough to make seizure or other exertion of controlling influence a mistake.


    I don't think they would send troops into East Germany. But you better believe the rest of Eastern Europe just got a real close look at how much they could depend upon the EU and the U.S. in a crises with Russia.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    If Russia can grab Ukraine, why not Kazakhstan? Why not Poland? Why not East Germany?
    One of these is not like the other.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This is why Obama is in a pickle. He can't show weakness, but, on the other hand, nobody wants a catastrophic war either. This war would make Iraq look like patty cake.
    Much the same could be said of any of a number of military ventures of ours that Russia doesn't like.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    This is sort of correct and sort of incorrect. In order for this claim to be valid, it would require that the Russians perceive that the differences between the various sectors of their Near Abroad are not strong enough to make seizure or other exertion of controlling influence a mistake.


    I don't think they would send troops into East Germany. But you better believe the rest of Eastern Europe just got a real close look at how much they could depend upon the EU and the U.S. in a crises with Russia.
    Oh for god's sake! http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/nato_countries.htm
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Russian upper house approves use of force in Ukraine - CNN.com

    Ukraine is toast.

    (CNN) -- Russia's upper house of parliament voted Saturday to approve the use of military force in Ukraine. The vote was unanimous.

    [Original Story, published 9:23 a.m. ET]

    (CNN) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin has asked the upper house of parliament for approval to send Russian troops into Ukraine's Crimea region to normalize the political situation there, the Kremlin said Saturday.

    Due to the "extraordinary situation in Ukraine," Putin said, there are threats to the lives of Russian citizens and Russian military personnel based in the southern Crimean region.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Not good.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    yeah? How much did that help Estonia?

    What is the NATO response if Russia were to suddenly refuse to sell gas to (say) Latvia?


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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Russia has met his match in Ukraine. This is not Georgia. The freaking Russian bully cannot just occupy and treat lands that do not belong to them by force like it did in Georgia and none did much about it. This one has a fighting chance. This one can fight, is armed, and may only need some help while engaged.

    Russia better stay the F out of this one because if they lose a war here countries currently within Russia may follow. They are oppressed from the bully system just as well and may ask to be really free too!

    Now I know none wants neither to intervene nor to corner Russia out of fears of WW3. But Ukraine may no longer take being bullied from Russia neither! Perhaps intervention may come, but may do so when Ukraine and Russia start giving positive signals that they want us to intervene between them.
    Putin has 150,000 troops on the border, they will be no match for the Ukrainian forces so fighting is futile. This is a NATO operation and the first thing they need to do is to hit Putin where it hurts, in the pocketbook. Embargo all Russian oil and natural gas sales and he will come around real quick. I repeat this is NATO's and Europes baby. it's their balls on the line. They can also fast track Georgia's entry into NATO

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    What worries me is the possibility of allowing Russia to invade another nation and oppress those people into a pro-Russian/soviet style government. If Russia gets involved then the rest of the world should as well to stop them.
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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I don't recall any EU nations being against the Ukraine joining or starting the accession process. It was only Russia against them joining.
    In 2012, the EU signed deals on free trade and political association with Ukraine; however EU leaders have stated that these agreements will not be ratified unless Ukraine addresses concerns over a "stark deterioration of democracy and the rule of law", including the imprisonment of Yulia Tymoshenko and Yuriy Lutsenko in 2011 and 2012.[2][3][4][nb 1] On 25 February 2013, the EU set a three-month deadline for Ukraine to carry out the required changes to its justice and electoral systems in order to enable the formal signing of their agreements with the EU in Vilnius on 29 November 2013.[6]
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    Let's not pretend that Ukraine ever had a clear path to membership.

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    Re: Does the situation in Ukraine worry you?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    What worries me is the possibility of allowing Russia to invade another nation and oppress those people into a pro-Russian/soviet style government. If Russia gets involved then the rest of the world should as well to stop them.
    Russia is like a big, dumb bully that has to fight for resources, because he's not friendly enough to work with others. The problem with pressuring a bully is that you never know how he might respond. I've fought plenty of them and they are not the push overs that common stories tell you.
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