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    Re: Which hurts America worse in terms of credibility as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No matter how many empty threats, the world knows the US could do a lot at any given moment. That reality insulates empty threats by the US with the presumption that the US decided not to but WAS capable. As long as US capability is an undisputed reality, bad policy is worse.
    Are you using last August as an example during the Putin-Obama staredown over Syria and Obama was unable to get the Navy's surge Carrier Strike Group out of Norfolk ?

    The United States is no longer a Superpower. We are just another world power like Russia, China, the Frogs , Germany and the UK.

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    Re: Which hurts America worse in terms of credibility as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The United States is no longer a Superpower. We are just another world power like Russia, China, the Frogs , Germany and the UK.
    All because Obama is openly and secretly destroying our military to pave the way for Kenyan Muslim world domination! He's like an evil John the Baptist.



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    Re: Which hurts America worse in terms of credibility as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    D. Venezuela (previous leader)
    Oh, good point then. The answer is E: All Three.

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    Re: Which hurts America worse in terms of credibility as a nation?

    Well I voted for "Empty Threats" because it was empty threats from President Clinton that led to Al Qaeda believing that America was a paper tiger and thought they could get away with attacking America on it's own soil on 9-11-01.

    From Osama bin Laden's Declaration of War against the United States aka Bin Ladens first Fatwa, 1996:

    >"But your most disgraceful case was in Somalia; where- after vigorous propaganda about the power of the USA and its post cold war leadership of the new world order- you moved tens of thousands of international force, including twenty eight thousands American solders into Somalia. However, when tens of your solders were killed in minor battles and one American Pilot was dragged in the streets of Mogadishu you left the area carrying disappointment, humiliation, defeat and your dead with you. Clinton appeared in front of the whole world threatening and promising revenge , but these threats were merely a preparation for withdrawal. You have been disgraced by Allah and you withdrew; the extent of your impotence and weaknesses became very clear. It was a pleasure for the “heart” of every Muslim and a remedy to the “chests” of believing nations to see you defeated in the three Islamic cities of Beirut , Aden and Mogadishu..."<

    Osama bin Laden fatwa”Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places.”

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    Re: Which hurts America worse in terms of credibility as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I am old enough to remember Hungry where our rhetoric of help caused them to rise up against the old USSR. There was not a thing we could do about. Then again our rhetoric caused Czechoslovakia to have their Prague spring, again there was nothing we could do to help them. I suppose my point is the Ukraine better understand that the only support we can give them is moral support, none other.
    Excellent points. I'm not quite old enough to remember Hungary 1956, but I've done a lot of reading about it. Yes, I agree that we encouraged many people to their deaths.


    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Well I voted for "Empty Threats" because it was empty threats from President Clinton that led to Al Qaeda believing that America was a paper tiger and thought they could get away with attacking America on it's own soil on 9-11-01.

    From Osama bin Laden's Declaration of War against the United States aka Bin Ladens first Fatwa, 1996:

    >"But your most disgraceful case was in Somalia; where- after vigorous propaganda about the power of the USA and its post cold war leadership of the new world order- you moved tens of thousands of international force, including twenty eight thousands American solders into Somalia. However, when tens of your solders were killed in minor battles and one American Pilot was dragged in the streets of Mogadishu you left the area carrying disappointment, humiliation, defeat and your dead with you. Clinton appeared in front of the whole world threatening and promising revenge , but these threats were merely a preparation for withdrawal. You have been disgraced by Allah and you withdrew; the extent of your impotence and weaknesses became very clear. It was a pleasure for the “heart” of every Muslim and a remedy to the “chests” of believing nations to see you defeated in the three Islamic cities of Beirut , Aden and Mogadishu..."<

    Osama bin Laden fatwa”Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places.”
    Many of Clinton's actions/retaliations might as well have been empty rhetoric. They were about as useful.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Which hurts America worse in terms of credibility as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    All because Obama is openly and secretly destroying our military to pave the way for Kenyan Muslim world domination! He's like an evil John the Baptist.


    It's not a secret, all you have to do is look at our military today.

    1/2 of the Marine Corps FMF are not properly armed, equipped and trained and can be deployed. The Army is in really bad shape, only 3 out of 33 combat brigades are properly trained, armed and equipped that can be deployed. The Air Force and Navy aren't doing to well either.

    The main priority of the Obama administration is social engineering of our military not national security.

    As for the "Kenyan Muslim world domination," you're a conspiracies wacko.

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    Re: Which hurts America worse in terms of credibility as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    As for the "Kenyan Muslim world domination," you're a conspiracies wacko.
    Ok, then why is Obama purposely destroying the military?

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    Re: Which hurts America worse in terms of credibility as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Excellent points. I'm not quite old enough to remember Hungary 1956, but I've done a lot of reading about it. Yes, I agree that we encouraged many people to their deaths.



    Many of Clinton's actions/retaliations might as well have been empty rhetoric. They were about as useful.
    That's what Osama bin Laden believed Americas response would be, launching a hundred Tomahawk cruise missiles and that would be it.

    Ends up G.W. Bush wasn't a pantywaist, he put American boots on the ground in Afghanistan and other places that most people are unaware of because they aren't suppose to know. It's known as "Bush's Secret War against Al Qaeda."

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    Re: Which hurts America worse in terms of credibility as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ok, then why is Obama purposely destroying the military?
    That what the fringe on the left always wanted to do.

    Remember how the left treated our troops returning from Vietnam ? I still remember.

    Remember what the left did back in 1975 ? I remember, they surrendered and refused to continue to fight the Cold War.

    Remember what the left did after 1975 to our military ? A hollow military force.

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    Re: Which hurts America worse in terms of credibility as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    That what the fringe on the left always wanted to do.

    Remember how the left treated our troops returning from Vietnam ? I still remember.

    Remember what the left did back in 1975 ? I remember, they surrendered and refused to continue to fight the Cold War.

    Remember what the left did after 1975 to our military ? A hollow military force.
    So, what's the end game?

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