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    Re: Which hurts America worse in terms of credibility as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Uh, yeah... what?
    I imagine that he means that we are saying ridiculous things, making ourselves a laughingstock.

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    Re: Which hurts America worse in terms of credibility as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Actually with the Ukraine, there is not much if anything we can do. World leaders like to sound tough in situations like this even though most realize that if Russia wants to invade the Ukraine, there is not a thing they can do about it. Besides the vast majority of Americans do not want to risk a war over the Ukraine. There is really no support for a tough guy stance among the populace here, so tough talk is all that is left.

    But to answer your question, I think a nation can more easily over come some bonehead policies than empty threats. Especially if the the people in the effected country believe the empty threats to whom ever is their belligerent. There could be uprisings and riots where, in this case the people of the Ukraine expect the U.S. to come to their aid. I mean to get involved militarily. Then when we don't that could lead to a heavy loss of life on their part. When one is president, he better choose his words real carefully.
    I tend to agree with this. With boneheaded policies, you at least get "respect" in that you'll do something, albeit dumb and counterproductive. That alone can bring people to the table.

    On the other hand, if you earn a reputation for being all talk and no action, you don't even get that grudging "respect", and others stop listening to you.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Which hurts America worse in terms of credibility as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Not to the average voter.
    The average voter is likely unaware of either. The average voter believes bumper sticker narratives, and votes for people that they like, even when they think they are less competent and capable to the task. They'd rather have a President they think is a fella like them, or says nice things about them, than one capable of actually, you know, effectively running foreign policy or the executive branch of government. "Well I'm gonna vote for candidate so-and-so 'cause, you know, he's like in favor of good stuff, not like that other guy, who is like, I think, in favor of bad stuff, and stuff...."
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    Re: Which hurts America worse in terms of credibility as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I imagine that he means that we are saying ridiculous things, making ourselves a laughingstock.
    Of course, what else? But the comparison is ludicrous.

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    Re: Which hurts America worse in terms of credibility as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I tend to agree with this. With boneheaded policies, you at least get "respect" in that you'll do something, albeit dumb and counterproductive. That alone can bring people to the table.

    On the other hand, if you earn a reputation for being all talk and no action, you don't even get that grudging "respect", and others stop listening to you.
    I am old enough to remember Hungry where our rhetoric of help caused them to rise up against the old USSR. There was not a thing we could do about. Then again our rhetoric caused Czechoslovakia to have their Prague spring, again there was nothing we could do to help them. I suppose my point is the Ukraine better understand that the only support we can give them is moral support, none other.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Which hurts America worse in terms of credibility as a nation?

    I'll take "What are bonehead politicians" for 500, Alex.
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    Re: Which hurts America worse in terms of credibility as a nation?

    Hard to say with any certainty. Both stupid policies and empty threats can undermine our own security and that of the world's. In some circumstances, it's easier to walk back a hasty calculation than repairing the damage done to your credibility and allies through inaction.. Situation dependent I suppose.

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    Re: Which hurts America worse in terms of credibility as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I tend to agree with this. With boneheaded policies, you at least get "respect" in that you'll do something, albeit dumb and counterproductive. That alone can bring people to the table.

    On the other hand, if you earn a reputation for being all talk and no action, you don't even get that grudging "respect", and others stop listening to you.
    A good point. Actions > Words. When you pursue boneheaded policies, your good policies can mitigate. When you make empty threats, you harm the ability of your good policies to have effects, too.

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    Re: Which hurts America worse in terms of credibility as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Of course, what else? But the comparison is ludicrous.
    Sure. Hey, quick question. Which countries are currently led by leaders who claimed that their ascension would have positive effects on the weather?

    A) North Korea
    B) The U.S.
    C) Both the U.S. and North Korea


    ?

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    Re: Which hurts America worse in terms of credibility as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Sure. Hey, quick question. Which countries are currently led by leaders who claimed that their ascension would have positive effects on the weather?

    A) North Korea
    B) The U.S.
    C) Both the U.S. and North Korea


    ?

    D. Venezuela (previous leader)

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