View Poll Results: Do you support reducing the military to pre-WWII levels?

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  • Sort of, it needs to shrink but not that small.

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    Re: Do you support reducing the US military to pre-WWII levels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What are those levels?
    At drill this evening I learned that the Guard is cutting 35,000 troops. For perspective the SD Guard has 3100 troops, so the cut is 10x the SD Guard.

    The first Soldiers to be cut are E5 and below who fail the next APFT and/or are not MOSQ by the end of the year, followed by anyone flagged for hight/weight, discipline or certain medical profiles.
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    Re: Do you support reducing the US military to pre-WWII levels?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you support reducing the military to pre-WWII levels?

    Yes
    Sort of, it needs to shrink but not that small.
    No,it should stay the same
    No, it should be increased
    Not sure
    don't care


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    Re: Do you support reducing the US military to pre-WWII levels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Our military does more than 'fight people' - though, as of late, we haven't had a centralized 'focus'

    That's always the problem with targeting an issue that's almost global in scope with no specific goal or concept in mind as for 'what are we going to achieve and how are we going to achieve it'

    Right now our goal is to: combat terrorism . . . with leaders and members who can't agree on much of anything and don't seem to care.
    Our goal is to run around the planet, swinging our dick around, sticking our nose into other people's business, pissing them off and when they strike back at us the only way they can, we go in and blow up their country. Sure, that's a good use for the military.
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    Re: Do you support reducing the US military to pre-WWII levels?

    Quote Originally Posted by penn1954 View Post
    Call me racist but our troops should be home guarding the borders!!

    America having all of the bases around the world protecting other countries,
    most of whom can't stand us,at her expense should be ended ASAP!!

    Also the nation building needs to go as well !!!
    When I first heard about them wanting to reduce troop levels I was saying "WTF!". But after hearing globalists talk about what China or Russia trying to expand I am beginning to think that maybe reducing troops to pre-WWII levels might not be a bad idea.The last thing I want is another American dying for some other country's citizen.And do not want my government interfering with other countries. Because sometimes it seems that when we help out a country and it comes back to later bite us in the ass. So we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.
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    Re: Do you support reducing the US military to pre-WWII levels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    No - we need to logically and with careful consideration, shift things *slowly* - reversing to any 'pre something something' time is always stupid.

    People seem to think that if we're not at war we can just disband the military.
    No one is talking about disbanding the military.
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    Re: Do you support reducing the US military to pre-WWII levels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What are those levels?
    Don't know.Hopefully its just enough to defend the US and thats it.
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    Re: Do you support reducing the US military to pre-WWII levels?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No one is talking about disbanding the military.
    I was being facetious - but I've seen it proposed.
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    Re: Do you support reducing the US military to pre-WWII levels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What are those levels?
    In 1939 the General Staff of the Army held an enormous set of war games all over the southern US from Georgia to Texas.

    During these excercises most of the field artillery men had to make do with 2x4s placed on saw horses to simulate howitzers.Tankers had automobiles to simulate tanks and some were even running around on foot. No one had blanks and explosions were often simulated by bags of flour which were tossed to burst on the ground.

    The other branches of the military had similar poverty stories.

    The military beast needs to be shrunk in many ways but it has to be done smart. We need more teeth than tail ( we have the opposite now ) and less waste. The waste part is difficult because no one cares until a sensational news piece is done in the media. Such as an expose of the military paying $70.00 for a hammer or whatever. Much of the waste is not covered by media which has other things to do. An example is the remaining staff in Europe. During the cold war we had several divisions and brigades of combat troops in Germany. When the cold war ended most of them were deactivated and withdrawn. Strangely however the homes and headquarters for the various generals who commanded those units are still in use. Generals who once led units in Germany now have various staff jobs in Germany where they still get to enjoy the perks of being stationed in Germany. Yet most of the troops are gone. The few remaining troops now not only have to be trained for war but have to answer to all of these various staff officers with complex job descriptions who need to run around looking as though they are doing something by holding inspections and excercises etc.

    Shrinking the military in a smart way requires one basic thing which is a clear and strict definition of what the military is meant for and used for. Part of the reason for such a bloated budget and size is that we constantly call on them to do anything and everything. As long as we keep relying on the military for every mission we can dream up every other year they will need an enormous budget.

    I personally would like to see a new branch created. Remove all of the cargo/transport aircraft from the Air force and the other branches. All of the transport ships of the Navy and all of the truck and transport vehicles of the army and create a US logistics command. It's mission would be to move the military where ever needed by the most effecient means possible. I would compensate by removing ICBMS completely as time permits and relying on the Navy to provide strategic nuclear defense with it's subs. The Airforce could then be folded back into the Army where they came from in the first place. We could also deactivate 3 divisions of the Army and put the Marines onder the Armies command. In order to protect the traditions and es - spirit of the marine corps simply give individuals the choice of joining those divisions for life.

    There are many other ideas the ones i mentioned aren't even mine but were mentioned in a war college paper. Other ideas may work also

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    Re: Do you support reducing the US military to pre-WWII levels?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    There are several countries that don't seem to mind. Aren't we already giving China US property as collateral? Japan? Other countries that we owe?


    Collateral id not really a gift. Even if the intent is to forfeit the collateral in lieu of payment, that is not a gift.
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    Re: Do you support reducing the US military to pre-WWII levels?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Collateral id not really a gift. Even if the intent is to forfeit the collateral in lieu of payment, that is not a gift.
    Alright...putting up as collateral.
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