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Thread: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Why overlook the very most important common factor for all 3 countries, Finland, South Korean and Poland all have extremely high levels of population homogeneity.
    True. That certainly is a factor.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    A big problem here is that education theory has moved away from competition and towards cooperation. Boys, and men, are intensely competitive. Boys will have contests to see who can burp the loudest, who is the funniest, who can climb highest up a tree. Each competitive contest allows a boy to be a master of his own domain. Things are a bit different with girls - their social hierarchy is more centralized in comparison to the decentralized model boys follow. Girls work much better cooperatively.

    With cooperation replacing competition in schools because competition was thought to hinder the progress of girls (it didn't) we've removed a strong motivating force from boys in schooling. Group projects, peer learning and other tactics likely inhibit boys from full participation.

    There are a host of things going on but what we do know is that boys who score higher on objective tests of content mastery can actually earn lower letter grades from the teachers than girls who they outscored. The girls are being rewarded for something apart from content mastery. When students get marks for completing their homework even if answers are wrong, then girls benefit because they are more compliant to authority - they'll do the work. Boys, researchers have found, tend to do homework when required but really lose interest in it after they come to understand the lesson, so half-completed homework from boys is far more common than from girls. Same too with rewards for showing of work - boys are more binary - is the answer right or wrong. Showing the work in order to get a reward favors how girls behave and so they get rewarded for this more frequently than boys.

    To boil it down - girls follow instructions more than do boys, hence higher grades, but lower performance on objective tests of content.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    and things were going so well....then.....


    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    What's changed is the mainlining of feminist theory into educational reform, combined with the freebasing of asinine liberal viewpoints into that education theory.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    It's been shown time and time again that boys and girls learn differently. I'd be perfectly fine with sex segregated classrooms, but that's one thing that will never happen because of how political correctness has slowed down America.

    Also, American's complain all the time about the quality of teachers but are rarely willing to pay them the amount the "education leading" countries pay their teachers.
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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    It's been shown time and time again that boys and girls learn differently. I'd be perfectly fine with sex segregated classrooms, but that's one thing that will never happen because of how political correctness has slowed down America.

    Also, American's complain all the time about the quality of teachers but are rarely willing to pay them the amount the "education leading" countries pay their teachers.

    Teacher quality isn't all that important. We do OK when we control for confounds and compare like-to-like in the international comparisons.


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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    It's been shown time and time again that boys and girls learn differently.
    Generally speaking - boys and girls have shared classrooms for at least a century haven't they?

    Do they segregate the sexes in foreign countries?

    I'm game for trying anything, but we still have to look at history.

    If boys and girls in the same classroom is not helping boys, then why is this a subject now, and not something that could have been fixed 50-100 years ago?

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Teacher quality isn't all that important. We do OK when we control for confounds and compare like-to-like in the international comparisons.

    While teacher "quality" may not be the most important thing it is still the teachers that pick the subject manner the students learn, which is an important thing.

    While the government may say all kids have to learn this, the teachers choose which books to use, which point of view to teach it in, etc.
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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Generally speaking - boys and girls have shared classrooms for at least a century haven't they?

    Do they segregate the sexes in foreign countries?

    I'm game for trying anything, but we still have to look at history.

    If boys and girls in the same classroom is not helping boys, then why is this a subject now, and not something that could have been fixed 50-100 years ago?
    I'm not sure on any of those counts. I just think if we had teachers that catered towards types of learning instead of teaching everyone the same way, we'd be better off.

    That's why, in a lot of cases, children that are home-schooled can come into a public school toward their senior years and be leaps and bounds ahead of the rest of the student body.
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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post

    While the government may say all kids have to learn this, the teachers choose which books to use, which point of view to teach it in, etc.
    Yes, in many cases you have two or three companies competing to sell cr*p. the worst is the scripted programs.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    I'm not sure on any of those counts. I just think if we had teachers that catered towards types of learning instead of teaching everyone the same way, we'd be better off.
    ..and those scripted programs schools spend tons of money on certainly don't allow for that kind of individualized learning or creativity. A multimillion dollar industry selling teachers how to teach to a script.

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