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Thread: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Only a doctor and parent can decide if a child is medicated. People cannot blame schools for medicating children. With that said, schools are at blame for no longer taking children's developmental growth into account when planning curriculum. You would be hard pressed to find a kindergarten class involved in developmental play now a days. Any kind of hands on play is considered "time off learning" rather than brain development. Mostly because many of the people involved in the planning don't have a clue about children's brain development. Kindergarten kids mostly sit at desk with pencil and paper doing what third graders did 20 years ago. Our school this year was told to put away the blocks and dress up setting and put some more desks in the class. This is playing out in schools across the country under the guise of school reform.
    Some children are obviously going to find it easier than others to sit for approximately 5 to 6 hours a day. The expectations are too high from very young children IMO. Let's not forget about homework either. Not only do the young children have to sit at a desk all day long in school, but then they have hours of homework and studying on top of that. This is too much stress for children so young IMO. They need an outlet, and then they are punished for "acting out" in school.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Who makes the decision to put boys on medication?

    Parents, or teachers?

    Teachers may refer, complain, suggest, or even insist, but the choice to medicate does not lie with the teacher or school.

    Does it?
    This is complicated actually. I've known of schools that basically refused to allow children who they feel are "misbehaved" (read: unmedicated) into classrooms because they want the child on medication and the parents have little other option. I actually worry a lot about this with our youngest because he is an active child that changes mood really quickly and he is argumentative (even at 4). Plus he is behind when it comes to his learning due to a speech problem.
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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Some children are obviously going to find it easier than others to sit for approximately 5 to 6 hours a day. The expectations are too high from very young children IMO. Let's not forget about homework either. Not only do the young children have to sit at a desk all day long in school, but then they have hours of homework and studying on top of that. This is too much stress for children so young IMO. They need an outlet, and then they are punished for "acting out" in school.
    My sons' school requires homework everyday, even from Kindergarteners. It isn't that hard for him really (he has his done in about 10 minutes after getting home). But I can see where other children would have an issue with this.
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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Yes - school is 6 or 7 hours long. Always has been.

    Have boys always been at a disadvantage in school? Since the early 1900's?

    Or are some of you saying this is something new?

    There's like an 80/20 rule.

    The lowest 10% and the highest 10% of acheivers don't get what they need because the curriculum and the time constraints are what they are.

    I don't see any way of fixing that without making classes much smaller, adding more teachers, getting parents much more involved and perhaps some other possible changes.

    We all know that "girls mature faster than boys". Right. Right?

    So yeah - girls are going to be able to concentrate and behave better per given age when in younger age ranges. But it's always been like that hasn't it?

    One could also and easily say (and I've heard this from parents directly) that over-achieving kids are lost and bored and become disruptive in public school.

    They're bored because they are not learning anything or being challenged.

    Public school is what it is.

    So it's easy to say that public schools are not designed for the highest of achievers, nor are they designed for the disruptive, less mature, can't sit still kids.

    Does that mean there's a bias - or does that mean it's just life?

    Sitting in a math class doing sheet after sheet of addition and subtraction (which many schools nowadays don't do anymore) during the 60's was boring as hell.
    Boys still managed to get through it. Sitting through reading periods and then writing book reports in the 70's was boring as hell, but boys managed to get through it.

    Now kids have all kinds of help with computers and graphics and internet .....
    seems it should be easier - not more difficult.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Some children are obviously going to find it easier than others to sit for approximately 5 to 6 hours a day. The expectations are too high from very young children IMO. Let's not forget about homework either. Not only do the young children have to sit at a desk all day long in school, but then they have hours of homework and studying on top of that. This is too much stress for children so young IMO. They need an outlet, and then they are punished for "acting out" in school.
    But this is nothing new is it?

    100 years ago many kids had to work after school. And do homework. And chores.

    Are you saying the US education system has been biased against boys since the dawn of its existence?

    Why isn't it the parents job to find the appropriate outlets for exercise, stress, and rambunctiousness?

    After school sports fro instance.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    And don't forget how we all then turn around and complain that we're losing ground to the Asians and Europeans.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    I don't think there is much that can be done except possibly trying to provide more tailored education for those who need it. In some cases that may mean one-on-one or independent learning for those students who are either not learning as well or learning much faster than the others or for those who are too hyperactive for normal classrooms. But I don't think its a majority. (I know I'm particularly concerned about my children since one is really far ahead and the other is pretty far behind and has issues that could complicate his time in classrooms.)
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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    But this is nothing new is it?
    There are plenty of 'new' things going on in the classroom. Unfortunately, some things that are not necessarily developmentally appropriate for all children. It will negatively impact more children, especially boys since their brains develop differently which may not coincide with the new trends in education.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    But this is nothing new is it?

    100 years ago many kids had to work after school. And do homework. And chores.

    Are you saying the US education system has been biased against boys since the dawn of its existence?

    Why isn't it the parents job to find the appropriate outlets for exercise, stress, and rambunctiousness?

    After school sports fro instance.
    Good Lord, are you actually claiming that the education system, the way we approach education and students, methods of teaching, etc. have NOT changed over the last 100 years? What about how much importance is put into "state of the art" schools but these improvements do NOTHING to increase the overall grade point averages of students? I disagree with you. There are plenty of things that are different. We have zero tolerance policies, HUGE schools where it's difficult for any teacher to keep track of all his/her students, huge amounts of money spent on school counselors, etc.

    I'm not saying that education was any better 100 years ago. I'm sure there are pros and cons on both sides of the coin when it comes to this issue. Some things have been improved and some things have not.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Classroom size huh?

    Hmmmm......

    http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...ype=blogs&_r=0

    Note that some of the countries with some of the world’s highest achieving student bodies — like Korea and Japan — have the biggest class sizes.

    What hasn't changed is that boys are more rambunctious, more easily distracted, and more difficult to control.

    Boys being boys is nothing new.

    So why is it an issue in schools NOW?

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