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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I didn't mean to imply they could. But they certainly suggest to parents that their children be tested...
    My point is the doctor makes the diagnosis not the school.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    My point is the doctor makes the diagnosis not the school.
    Do you know how the doctor goes about making a diagnosis of ADHD?

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Is there a bias against boys in the American educational system?
    Of course, you already know how I feel, but just to reiterate I think there is a bias against boys in our education system, though not intentional. The way we go about teaching lessons and the school environment is just not an ideal learning situation for a lot of boys. Also, the way they are phasing out physical activity time during school hours (which is up to 6-1/2 hours a day), is not helpful to letting both boys and girls let off some energy and stress.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Do you know how the doctor goes about making a diagnosis of ADHD?
    Depends on the doctor. Some doctors will just prescribe pills if parents urge and/or insist their child has attentional issues. Some make them fill out questionnaires. Some want to see if the child is making progress in school and requires a full core evaluation before making a diagnosis.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Depends on the doctor. Some doctors will just prescribe pills if parents urge and/or insist their child has attentional issues. Some make them fill out questionnaires. Some want to see if the child is making progress in school and requires a full core evaluation before making a diagnosis.
    Yes, the questionnaire. Here is an example of such questionnaire. Would you feel comfortable putting your . . . say 6-year-old son on Ritalin based upon these questions?

    Child Attention Deficit Disorder (ADHD) Test - Psych Central

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, the questionnaire. Here is an example of such questionnaire. Would you feel comfortable putting your . . . say 6-year-old son on Ritalin based upon these questions?

    Child Attention Deficit Disorder (ADHD) Test - Psych Central
    No, but some doctors do.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, but some doctors do.
    Yes, the standards they use for drugging up our little boys are disgusting and sub par. IMO, all of those things on that questionnaire describe a "normal" little boy, and some girls too. Not everyone can sit still for HOURS. It doesn't mean they should be medicated to make an educator's job "easier." I still wonder what the long-term effects of these drugs will be.

    I don't think that the huge school administration really cares about MY child as an individual but just making things easier for themselves and their teachers.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Cripes, going through some of those question, even I answer yes to some of them, at least SOME of the time. I guess I should get me some Ritalin.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, the standards they use for drugging up our little boys are disgusting and sub par. IMO, all of those things on that questionnaire describe a "normal" little boy, and some girls too. Not everyone can sit still for HOURS. It doesn't mean they should be medicated to make an educator's job "easier." I still wonder what the long-term effects of these drugs will be.

    I don't think that the huge school administration really cares about MY child as an individual but just making things easier for themselves and their teachers.
    Only a doctor and parent can decide if a child is medicated. People cannot blame schools for medicating children. With that said, schools are at blame for no longer taking children's developmental growth into account when planning curriculum. You would be hard pressed to find a kindergarten class involved in developmental play now a days. Any kind of hands on play is considered "time off learning" rather than brain development. Mostly because many of the people involved in the planning don't have a clue about children's brain development. Kindergarten kids mostly sit at desk with pencil and paper doing what third graders did 20 years ago. Our school this year was told to put away the blocks and dress up center and put some more desks in the class. This is playing out in schools across the country under the guise of school reform.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Only a doctor and parent can decide if a child is medicated. People cannot blame schools for medicating children. With that said, schools are at blame for no longer taking children's developmental growth into account when planning curriculum. You would be hard pressed to find a kindergarten class involved in developmental play now a days. Any kind of hands on play is considered "time off learning" rather than brain development. Mostly because many of the people involved in the planning don't have a clue about children's brain development. Kindergarten kids mostly sit at desk with pencil and paper doing what third graders did 20 years ago. Our school this year was told to put away the blocks and dress up center and put some more desks in the class. This is playing out in schools across the country under the guise of school reform.
    The trends you describe are based on the idea that kids are better readers and mathematicians if they just start formal reading and math instruction earlier and earlier. Educational research does not bear this out, but still the idea persists that "reform" means "high expectations" which means formal reading and math instruction at earlier ages.
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