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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Thank you for raising up this topic.

    When I was in school, most of my professors were women. Only in college did the ratio reverse and I had like... 1-2 college professors per semester as women. Most of the lab tutors were men... but I did do engineering school so most of the enrolled students were boys like me. We had 6 girls in a class of 70.
    If you go to psychology or literature, you'll find the ratios reversed.

    But let's stick to pre-college education.
    The educational methods used today are great, really, top notch... for the XIXth century or early XXth century. But today, for the XXIth century, education needs to change. All of it. It's failing to do it's job.

    Sir Ken Robinson made an excellent video on the subject on how children are being put through schools like a product through a factory.

    Education needs to be a relative experience, as least state education. Some students need X years of education, others need X+-y. We need to revamp our educational system and the best way to do this is to build new, integrated schools. Schools should be these mega infrastructural entities that have everything from dormitories to classrooms and teachers who are competent to educate people on all interests. They should have sporting centers, they should have flexible work hours and well staffed with professionals and they should be immersive in the community and especially in close ties with the economic world.

    Not all students are effective at the same periods of their life. Some work better in the morning, others are better in the afternoon, some are night owls and all other periods you can think of.

    Maybe you, as an individual, operates best if you work out in the morning and hit the classrooms in the afternoon. Maybe you are at your peak if you study at night. There should be classes for all these opportunities so that people can explore themselves and their passions.
    There should be regular interactions between companies adn industry leaders and the schools. In college was the first time I managed to speak or meet with people in the real world of technology, as I said, I did engineering. But it wasn't because the school brought them on, it was because the NGO I was part of organized events where students could hear these people speak. I wish I had those opportunities in highschool...

    We're ruining our children by denying them the right kind of education. If you think it'll be too expensive... look at the cost of the lack of proper educational environment is doing. Unemployment. People working tedious jobs that should have been automated a decade ago. People who hate their jobs. People who are incompetent at their jobs. All because we aren't reforming our educational system. And this will cost money and energy but it needs to be done. It has to be done.

    EDIT: To speak a little on the topic: the reason males are being disadvantaged is because most boys don't respond to authority figures in the same way most girls do. I was a good kid in school, always stayed out of trouble and was respectful to the teachers. But I never really "respected" them if I had nothing to learn from them. History teacher... I knew more history then her and my grandfather taught me more than I would have liked... which is a whole different rant on why history shouldnt' be taught to people under 15 or 16. English, I was already fluent and doing the same mind-numbing exercises was boring and tedious. I appreciated their position, but they weren't for me. So I never respected them in the same way I respected my math teacher (she was a woman) or my physics teacher (he was a man) who actually taught me things and more importantly, helped me discover how to think properly about problems and how to solve them.
    Something that came in handy, and I expanded upon, in college.
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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    While I'm not disagreeing with your assessment of the educational system overall - I don't think it's quite on-topic.

    Is there a direct, or indirect bias or discrimination against boys?

    Or is the problem just that there's currently no reasonable or acceptable method of figuring out how to handle those kids that are tough to handle and/or disruptive. Which just happens to be boys the majority of the time.

    And it's not all boys is it?

    The problem seems to be more that "we" don't know how or what to do with kids that can't focus like the others.

    What do "we" do with the rammy, bouncing off the walls, can't sit still, unable to focus and concentrate, and/or disruptive students?

    Ignore them? Fail them? Shuffle them through? Grade them differently? Send them to a different school? Put them in special classes? Medicate them? Hold them back? Start them later?

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Lori Day: Why Boys Are Failing in an Educational System Stacked Against Them


    So I ask:

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    Should we segregate boys and girls into different schools, or at least separate classrooms?


    2) Should boys start school at an older age than girls? If girls start first grade at 6 years old - should boys be made to wait until 7?

    3) Do boys require male teachers?



    Generally I am opposed to any kind of segregation, But this might help the boys and the girls.

    I don't believe that there's a bias against boys, but I do believe that they pay a price for acting up.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Boys mature later than girls, tend to be more physically active than girls, and more likely to act out. Boys should start school about six months later than girls do, but, of course, that's politically impossible.

    Little boys and little girls are not the same.
    The problem is, we have to treat them as if they were.



    They never have been and they never will be.

    It's almost like two different species.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    My local paper used to have a regular feature of posting pics of the "student of the month" from the various high schools around town. I followed this for perhaps five years or so, and not once were there as many boys as girls and the typical ratio was two or three girls for each boy chosen. I would not go so far as to say this indicated any sort of bias, but there was certainly a very clear and undeniable pattern.

    The system rewards cooperation and compliance, and boys will often challenge authority more directly than girls. This puts them at a disadvantage, and perhaps it is simply a case of girls having more awareness than boys in how to milk the system to earn the grade, but in any determination of bias I would suspect the differences lie in the way the genders socialize.
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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Might just as easily say teachers discriminate and are biased against females. Math education is a clear example.
    My high school calculus and physics classes had as many girls as boys and they did as well.

    This was over 40 years ago.
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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, but the parents are often given incentive to allow such a diagnosis and treatment. What follows is subjective information.

    I have extended family who adopted a child. He was diagnosed as ADHD at about age 3 after being evaluated (in this case) at the parents' request. As a result of that diagnosis and their decision to medicate him, his preschool is subsidized by the government; he is transported to and from preschool in a private van. This is HUGE. This child is "borderline autistic" because he likes to turn his bike over and spin one of the wheels every once in a while. This child is perfectly normal. It's damned sad.

    School systems receive extra money based on the number of students qualified under Section 504.

    As always, follow the money.
    School systems cannot make any medical diagnosis such as autism or ADHD. That strictly must come from a medical doctor.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    What do "we" do with the rammy, bouncing off the walls, can't sit still, unable to focus and concentrate, and/or disruptive students?

    ?
    I would think the first step would be to determine why they are bouncing off the walls.

    In many cases, the answer is to challenge them. THere is nothing quite like a dull, rote learning process geared towards a low-average learning ability to elicit restlessness in a bright boy.
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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    School systems cannot make any medical diagnosis such as autism or ADHD. That strictly must come from a medical doctor.
    I didn't mean to imply they could. But they certainly suggest to parents that their children be tested...

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Is there a bias against boys in the American educational system?
    There was a study done which states different regions of the brain develop in a different sequence, and different tempo, in girls compared with boys. Kids are expected to sit for longer periods of time and engage in such tasks as reading and writing. Those two tasks require attentional skills. Many schools have cut down breaks such as recess. They have taken away such important brain development curricula such as music and art. Vocational schools are limited if not nonexistent in certain districts. Now we are surprised more boys are being referred to team meetings with so called attentional problems?

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