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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Those tendencies aren't strictly by gender, kids should be evaluated individually to determine the best way to teach them..
    That would be best. Give the children a maturity test on entering Kindergarten, and assign the less mature ones to a pre K. That would be a real boon to a lot of kids. I can guarantee you that the pre K would be mostly boys, however.
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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    From my personal experience both genders are capable of being complete idiots just the guys tend to do more stupid stuff. Though it usually tends to be the guys who see themselves a hillbillies and drive around in overly large trucks and do incredibly stupid things. It ins't because the educational system is biased, it is because of society. It is more acceptable for a guy to be a complete idiot and a hillbilly than it is for a girl, they are just idiots and so are most of their parents.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Who makes the decision to put boys on medication?

    Parents, or teachers?

    Teachers may refer, complain, suggest, or even insist, but the choice to medicate does not lie with the teacher or school.

    Does it?
    Oh, but the parents are often given incentive to allow such a diagnosis and treatment. What follows is subjective information.

    I have extended family who adopted a child. He was diagnosed as ADHD at about age 3 after being evaluated (in this case) at the parents' request. As a result of that diagnosis and their decision to medicate him, his preschool is subsidized by the government; he is transported to and from preschool in a private van. This is HUGE. This child is "borderline autistic" because he likes to turn his bike over and spin one of the wheels every once in a while. This child is perfectly normal. It's damned sad.

    School systems receive extra money based on the number of students qualified under Section 504.

    As always, follow the money.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Is there a bias against boys in the American educational system?
    Hmm. It's complicated. A significant source of the problem is the narcissistic parenting that has emerged in recent decades that enables "boys to be boys." Teachers are left to fend for themselves, and they are typically portrayed as the real villains. Honestly, if we as a society could constructively deal with poor behavior in the classroom--which disproportionately comes from boys--then I think that this change alone would improve our struggling schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Lori Day: Why Boys Are Failing in an Educational System Stacked Against Them


    So I ask:

    1) Should we segregate boys and girls into different schools, or at least separate classrooms?
    I don't know. This has been tried with mixed results. Doing this gives some students a safe space from the opposite sex, but how does it affect LGBT students? How does it affect cis, straight students that are picked on a lot more by their own gender? They have needs, too.

    2) Should boys start school at an older age than girls? If girls start first grade at 6 years old - should boys be made to wait until 7?
    Uhh, I'd rather not have huge boys in the same grade as petite girls, thank you.

    3) Do boys require male teachers?
    No, they don't. Otherwise this leads to a slippery slope of "everyone should be with those that are most familiar to them."
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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Being in high school myself, I don't feel like there is any bias towards me.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    We told our son ignore and conquer. It's all about the "Benjamins"!
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    Is there a bias against boys in the American educational system?

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Why Boys Struggle with School - FamilyEducation.com


    Another question I have is this: is anything that different now as opposed to 50 years ago?

    Were boys better behaved back then? Less physical? Easier to manage?
    Weren't the majority of teachers in the 50's and 60's female?

    Is this perhaps more about how boys are handled outside of school?

    Less play outside, more video and computer games inside?


    50 years ago, children were much more strictly disciplined in school.... AND at home.

    That's the single biggest difference.

    Another is that there were more readily available outlets for their natural aggression and exploratory impulses... modern "zero tolerance" (for "violence") policy has acted much like shaking up a soda bottle then putting a cork in it... pressure builds up and something blows.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, but the parents are often given incentive to allow such a diagnosis and treatment. What follows is subjective information.

    I have extended family who adopted a child. He was diagnosed as ADHD at about age 3 after being evaluated (in this case) at the parents' request. As a result of that diagnosis and their decision to medicate him, his preschool is subsidized by the government; he is transported to and from preschool in a private van. This is HUGE. This child is "borderline autistic" because he likes to turn his bike over and spin one of the wheels every once in a while. This child is perfectly normal. It's damned sad.

    School systems receive extra money based on the number of students qualified under Section 504.

    As always, follow the money.

    ADHD is often the diagnosis, when the real problem is simply "needs more discipline, and/or more outlets for physical/aggression." Been there, seen that. Got the T-shirt.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    ADHD is often the diagnosis, when the real problem is simply "needs more discipline, and/or more outlets for physical/aggression." Been there, seen that. Got the T-shirt.
    Exactly.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    So is the "discrimination" or "bias" against boys something that the educational system is doing, something that the teachers are doing, something that society is doing, or something that the parents are doing?

    Or perhaps NOT doing as the case may be?

    Teachers have a limited amount of time to cover a topic. Disruptions and distractions cause everyone to fall behind. What are teachers supposed to do with children that are constantly disruptive?

    A teacher in public school can not devise endlessly different methods of teaching based on the individual needs of each child.

    What should they do with the kid who won't sit down, won't pay attention, won't stop talking, and continually distracts others in the class?

    To make matters even worse, what if the teacher has talked to the parents about this disruptive child, and the parents basically say "that's your problem - not mine" ?????

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