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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

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    Do Teachers Really Discriminate Against Boys? | TIME.com

    Some interesting stuff in above link.
    I voted no. I didn't read your link. If I could? I'd change my vote having had a brief opportunity to think about it. I think many referrals for ADHD testing come from the school system. Boys are more than twice as likely as girls to be so diagnosed. Boys are just filled with kinetic energy they've got to throw off. I think teachers are more inclined to refer boys than girls because boys are harder to manage when there's no one at home making rules. So, let's dope 'em up!

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Boys mature later than girls, tend to be more physically active than girls, and more likely to act out. Boys should start school about six months later than girls do, but, of course, that's politically impossible.

    Little boys and little girls are not the same. The problem is, we have to treat them as if they were.
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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Why Boys Struggle with School - FamilyEducation.com


    Another question I have is this: is anything that different now as opposed to 50 years ago?

    Were boys better behaved back then? Less physical? Easier to manage?
    Weren't the majority of teachers in the 50's and 60's female?

    Is this perhaps more about how boys are handled outside of school?

    Less play outside, more video and computer games inside?
    Yes, and it's not just the change in activity, but as you said, how they are handled at home, discipline. Talk back to your teacher in my day and you'd be paddled at school, when you got home and most likely the next time your grandparents visited just for good measure. Make sure you got the point. There was more tolerance of boyish behavior, but the lines were there and in bold ink. Sassing the teacher was a rubicon one did not cross.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I voted no. I didn't read your link. If I could? I'd change my vote having had a brief opportunity to think about it. I think many referrals for ADHD testing come from the school system. Boys are more than twice as likely as girls to be so diagnosed. Boys are just filled with kinetic energy they've got to throw off. I think teachers are more inclined to refer boys than girls because boys are harder to manage when there's no one at home making rules. So, let's dope 'em up!
    Who makes the decision to put boys on medication?

    Parents, or teachers?

    Teachers may refer, complain, suggest, or even insist, but the choice to medicate does not lie with the teacher or school.

    Does it?

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Boys mature later than girls, tend to be more physically active than girls, and more likely to act out. Boys should start school about six months later than girls do, but, of course, that's politically impossible.

    Little boys and little girls are not the same. The problem is, we have to treat them as if they were.
    Can't we segregate? Boys in one classroom, girls in another?

    Why can't we start them at different ages?

    If you have a boy, and you desire success, wouldn't you do whatever is needed to help the odds of success?

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Naturally I can't comment on American schools, but as I remember my time in school, much depended on the respective teacher. We had a feminist female teacher who definitely discriminated against teenager boys. We had a physics teacher who would make even sexist jokes about girls not getting natural sciences in class and accordingly grade the girls.

    But in general, I'm not sure if I'd call it "discrimination", I'd say it's true that schools had relatively few tolerance for lack of discipline, and that was indeed bigger problem for boys than for girls. If that's because schools today don't respect the natural needs of boys, or if boys today, unlike a few generations ago, are undisciplined brats because of bad parenting, is a question I cannot answer.
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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Can't we segregate? Boys in one classroom, girls in another?

    Why can't we start them at different ages?

    If you have a boy, and you desire success, wouldn't you do whatever is needed to help the odds of success?
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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    I don't think that there is intentional bias, but the schools do need to do more to deal with some kid's need for physical activity and their short attention spans, characteristics usually associated with boys. Teaching kids to focus on the instructor and the learning process should be an an ongoing process. It is unrealistic to think that kindergarten is enough to prepare all kids to sit and focus for hours every day. We should also reconsider whether that is a healthy and realistic expectation, considering the obesity problem, changing work environments and other issues.

    Today's teachers compete with all the other people and media that are available to entertain kids. Dull teachers are no longer acceptable. They need to use videos, computers, peer teaching/learning and physical activity to keep kids engaged, while simultaneously developing the kid's ability to stay focused on instruction and learning.
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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Who makes the decision to put boys on medication?

    Parents, or teachers?

    Teachers may refer, complain, suggest, or even insist, but the choice to medicate does not lie with the teacher or school.

    Does it?
    The decision lies with the parents, not the schools.

    The over medication of hyper active kids is part and parcel with our tendency to over medicate in general. There's a pill for everything. Most of them don't work, or have horrible side effects.

    Some kids do benefit, but only a very few.

    Oh, and if the parents play their cards right, the kids diagnosed with ADHD just might qualify for SS disability! Really!
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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Boys mature later than girls, tend to be more physically active than girls, and more likely to act out. Boys should start school about six months later than girls do, but, of course, that's politically impossible.

    Little boys and little girls are not the same. The problem is, we have to treat them as if they were.
    Those tendencies aren't strictly by gender, kids should be evaluated individually to determine the best way to teach them..

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