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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Keep in mind the reason that scripted curricula has taken off. It's the same reason which gave birth to NCLB. Educations majors are the bottom of the barrel in terms of intellectual firepower and when teachers DID HAVE THE FREEDOM to individualize instruction, they screwed up the system by falling for fad after fad after fad, learning circles, no red pen marking, self-esteem boosting methods, the list goes on.

    You paint a beautiful theory about how wonderful things could be but the history of how such freedom in the classroom was exercised just guts your theory.
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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Is there a bias against boys in the American educational system?
    The issue seems to be more complicated than that. The problem is that teachers are basing grades on subjective judgments (i.e. behavior) as well as objective ones (i.e. scores on tests/homework/etc). Stop that and you solve the problem.
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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    The issue seems to be more complicated than that. The problem is that teachers are basing grades on subjective judgments (i.e. behavior) as well as objective ones (i.e. scores on tests/homework/etc). Stop that and you solve the problem.
    Isn't learning how to behave, be respectful, and communicate all part of a good education?

    What happens at work if you "incorrectly" communicate with your bosses and/or co-workers?

    Suppose your "behavior" in a job interview is questionably erratic and/or "not normal"? Do you get offered the job?

    Classroom behavior is of some relative importance. How to "grade" that can surely be questioned though.

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Isn't learning how to behave, be respectful, and communicate all part of a good education?

    What happens at work if you "incorrectly" communicate with your bosses and/or co-workers?

    Suppose your "behavior" in a job interview is questionably erratic and/or "not normal"? Do you get offered the job?

    Classroom behavior is of some relative importance. How to "grade" that can surely be questioned though.
    I'm okay if classroom behavior is used as a small part of the child's overall grade, but it should be disclosed up front. They shouldn't simply be given worse grades even though they are turning in the same or better quality work.
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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    Well, that goes back to my earlier point. Everyone wants a better school system, but nobody wants to pay for it.
    It's not about the money. Something's rotten in our educational system--we have become underperformers internationally--and what to do seems to have most of us confused and uncertain. (More measurement! More assessment! Students won't be learning more, but we'll be proving that they are "successful"! Yay!)

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    Re: Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Is there a bias against boys in the American educational system?
    I think that there are subtle, and often entirely unintentional, biases both for and against boys and girls. Same-sex education in middle and high school does seem to be an academic benefit to both genders.

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