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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I'm kinda curious....

    Just how much WOULD it cost to run fiber to every dwelling in the country, or whatever.
    And upgrade some switches and routers, probably.

    Edit: by "the country" I meant "the USA".
    A good penny. Much of the country is still on copper. And personally I don't see that as a bad thing. Fiberoptic technology has had several issues to overcome through the past couple of decades and not all of them have been resolved. The materials used do not hold up like copper. They deteriorate at a much more rapid pace. But what I don't hear people discussing is the corporate welfare aspect of all our communication corporations. All of them are in bed with the government. They all receive special bennies at the taxpayer's expense. Where's the outrage?

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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And that is still irrelevant. Just because you need more infrastructure because you have more groups means nothing... because with more groups you have more money to pay for it.

    It amazes me that most American's still hang on the size issue. Sweden has some of the highest speeds and best infrastructure out there...and only Alaska and Texas are bigger in the US. France is only slightly smaller than Texas and has better Internet I believe. South Korea, some of the best Internet on the planet.. is the as big or bigger than 40 of the US states and has more population than any US state.

    Size DOES NOT MATTER... it is the willingness to invest that matters.
    No Pete, it's ENTIRELY relevant and size DOES matter. A willingness to invest is only partially relevant. There is a big difference between building a 10,000 square foot building and building 6 100,000 square foot buildings. Comparing a country to a state is dishonest. Compare the size of a country to the size of the other country... and no, not population as that too is irrelevant. Creating infrastructure when people are packed in a small area is far easier than doing so when people are not.

    Size is the key issue.
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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'd rather update our roads & bridges and large parts of our electrical grid before spending our money on internet speed.
    OK grandpa.

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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No Pete, it's ENTIRELY relevant and size DOES matter. A willingness to invest is only partially relevant. There is a big difference between building a 10,000 square foot building and building 6 100,000 square foot buildings. Comparing a country to a state is dishonest. Compare the size of a country to the size of the other country... and no, not population as that too is irrelevant. Creating infrastructure when people are packed in a small area is far easier than doing so when people are not.

    Size is the key issue.
    Again no it is just an excuse.

    First off the OP list is a bit odd, since it does not compare to all the average speeds lists out there. It seems to be the average PEEK internet speed not the average overall speed.

    Secondly there is this list



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    Which Country Has the Highest Internet Speed in The World?

    Look at South Korea ... over double the speed of the US. Now the US is much larger a country yes, but as I stated before you connect towns and cities together and then internally in towns and cities you connect the end user. Hence size suddenly does not matter. And in South Korea's example you have a country of about 100k square miles, which is as large or larger as 41 out of 50 US states. Compare it to New York State which is half South Korea's size, where most of the population is in major cities and towns (just like South Korea)... and yet on the average list of US states, New York is under half the speed of the South Korean's.

    The Average Internet Connection Speed in Every State in America | StateTech Magazine

    Now explain that.. are you going to say it is because of size or population? What other excuse can you find?
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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'd rather update our roads & bridges and large parts of our electrical grid before spending our money on internet speed.
    Definitely. Upgrading the electrical grid, esp burying all power lines so we don't have to endure endless power outages with every storm that comes our way would be desirable. Perhaps they could bury power lines while they run fiber optic cable and repair the roads as needed? Why dig twice?

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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We're number 32 on the list in terms of the only measure that really matters at the end of the day - average download speed. That's unacceptable.

    So whatever the technical reasons for that are, all I know is that I'm overpaying for a crap product at the end of the day, and there's not a thing I or anyone else here can do about it.

    The people running Google Fiber seem to be happy with their service. The price seems reasonable. If it ever were offered here, I'd jump on it in spite of everything you've written, if nothing else just to stick it to Time Warner who freely admit that they sell a garbage service and that they have no intention of upgrading it.
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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Again no it is just an excuse.

    First off the OP list is a bit odd, since it does not compare to all the average speeds lists out there. It seems to be the average PEEK internet speed not the average overall speed.

    Secondly there is this list



    from

    Which Country Has the Highest Internet Speed in The World?

    Look at South Korea ... over double the speed of the US. Now the US is much larger a country yes, but as I stated before you connect towns and cities together and then internally in towns and cities you connect the end user. Hence size suddenly does not matter. And in South Korea's example you have a country of about 100k square miles, which is as large or larger as 41 out of 50 US states. Compare it to New York State which is half South Korea's size, where most of the population is in major cities and towns (just like South Korea)... and yet on the average list of US states, New York is under half the speed of the South Korean's.

    The Average Internet Connection Speed in Every State in America | StateTech Magazine

    Now explain that.. are you going to say it is because of size or population? What other excuse can you find?
    False comparison. I've already explained to you that it is inaccurate to compare the infrastructure of a country to that of a state. Take your pick... population density or area... in both ways you are incorrect.
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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    I will say that I dislike how the US's internet service system is set up.

    In too many locations, one provider has a near-monopoly on a given form of communication.

    For example, to my knowledge, in my area Comcast is the only provider of high-speed cable.
    Or at least that was the case several years ago (want to say 5?) when we had it installed.
    DSL was not an option at that time due to being too far away from the nearest hub.
    Only other option was satellite of some sort and that was too expensive for the service provided, compared.

    But the only way I can see a reasonable marketplace for this type of service existing (since it's so dependent on infrastructure) would be for the infrastructure itself to be public property.

    Edit: Maybe this is more of an issue in PA, where I live.
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