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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That's a great theory and all, except we have gigabit internet in places like Kansas City where google fiber is located. The cost is 70 bucks per month plus a 300 dollar installation fee. I'd gladly pay that if it were offered.
    Thats fine and you may have other issues with your current provider - my point has nothing to do with those other issues but is talking about 70mb is better than 20mb. Quality and consistency are more important than speed as I've described.

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    Are you gonna sit there and tell me it isn't faster than this time warner 15mbps garbage I have now? Unlikely. People who have Google Fiber rave about it. Even if you're only getting half of the advertised speed, that's still 500mbps for basically the same price I'm paying now for 15mbps.
    Your speed is throttled by the provider - all providers do this. Fast does not equal quality - the packet delay, packet drops, resends, and every hop in between your house and the provider or the location you are trying to connect to, which traverse multiple providers networks all effect not only speed but quality. The simplistic view that fiber to prem is better is not true nor accurate. Even a full fiber network end to end doesn't necessarily mean faster or better though in theory, the distortion, noise and transmission should make for a cleaner signal end to end.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm
    Also, you're talking about bottlenecks. Well, if we were wired for google fiber, maybe the bottleneck would be somewhere other than the fiber optics. Fine, what does that do? That puts pressure on other parts of the system to upgrade their services, to upgrade their products. So yes, it's a positive as technical advancement always is.
    They're not bottlenecks they are throttled on purpose - load balancing means to slow down faster connections and speed up slower connections to a specific measure - actual bottlenecks are managed by large network providers by diverting traffic or rerouting traffic through large SNRC's. Company's like Verizon and AT&T manage these bottlenecks as well as sometimes people who dig up large copper bundles and fiber bundles by rerouting the traffic through mid-point network connections while the breaks are fixed. That is not the same as managing the normal traffic flow, speed and quantity.

    The idea that getting a gigabit connection and paying for such to your house will drastically effect your speed surfing the internet is incorrect. As I said, service providers love that misconception as people will over pay for speed upgrades which are meaningless. Businesses however pay for larger connections which run through private networks and use point to point connections or back haul connections to dump large amounts of data. They bypass the standard load balancing since their data traffic is specific and follows a pre-determined pathway. Gigabit therefore, for hospitals, architecture firms etc., who dump very large amounts of data (we're talking about 500 meg to 10 Gigabit per minute between say Chicago and New York is specifically engineered and uses redundancy such that any connection which goes down or a router dies, a secondary connection / router is used --- this is done using HSRP or VRRP with BGP-R or eBGP depending on the type of network used.
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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    For myself personally, I'm fine with my current internet provision - granted it's cable, somewhat limited due to location, only Comcast serves that area, but....

    It's better than the 56k dial-up I had before....now only a traumatic memory...
    I hate comcast. Gave them the boot a couple years back. Got fed up with internet going out, then calling and getting some Indian dude on the phone that had no clue. Since I gave them the boot internet has only gone out once and got a guy that spoke English on the phone to fix it. Connection is probably a bit slower than Comcast, but it isn't noticeable.

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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    I hate comcast. Gave them the boot a couple years back. Got fed up with internet going out, then calling and getting some Indian dude on the phone that had no clue. Since I gave them the boot internet has only gone out once and got a guy that spoke English on the phone to fix it. Connection is probably a bit slower than Comcast, but it isn't noticeable.
    Well the connection does go out every so often. I kinda just marked that under "I live in a rural area".

    I don't even get an Indian guy, though - just some recorded message about maintenance...so I stopped calling. Service is back in a few hours, at most.
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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Thats fine and you may have other issues with your current provider - my point has nothing to do with those other issues but is talking about 70mb is better than 20mb. Quality and consistency are more important than speed as I've described.

    Your speed is throttled by the provider - all providers do this. Fast does not equal quality - the packet delay, packet drops, resends, and every hop in between your house and the provider or the location you are trying to connect to, which traverse multiple providers networks all effect not only speed but quality. The simplistic view that fiber to prem is better is not true nor accurate. Even a full fiber network end to end doesn't necessarily mean faster or better though in theory, the distortion, noise and transmission should make for a cleaner signal end to end.

    They're not bottlenecks they are throttled on purpose - load balancing means to slow down faster connections and speed up slower connections to a specific measure - actual bottlenecks are managed by large network providers by diverting traffic or rerouting traffic through large SNRC's. Company's like Verizon and AT&T manage these bottlenecks as well as sometimes people who dig up large copper bundles and fiber bundles by rerouting the traffic through mid-point network connections while the breaks are fixed. That is not the same as managing the normal traffic flow, speed and quantity.

    The idea that getting a gigabit connection and paying for such to your house will drastically effect your speed surfing the internet is incorrect. As I said, service providers love that misconception as people will over pay for speed upgrades which are meaningless. Businesses however pay for larger connections which run through private networks and use point to point connections or back haul connections to dump large amounts of data. They bypass the standard load balancing since their data traffic is specific and follows a pre-determined pathway. Gigabit therefore, for hospitals, architecture firms etc., who dump very large amounts of data (we're talking about 500 meg to 10 Gigabit per minute between say Chicago and New York is specifically engineered and uses redundancy such that any connection which goes down or a router dies, a secondary connection / router is used --- this is done using HSRP or VRRP with BGP-R or eBGP depending on the type of network used.
    We're number 32 on the list in terms of the only measure that really matters at the end of the day - average download speed. That's unacceptable.

    So whatever the technical reasons for that are, all I know is that I'm overpaying for a crap product at the end of the day, and there's not a thing I or anyone else here can do about it.

    The people running Google Fiber seem to be happy with their service. The price seems reasonable. If it ever were offered here, I'd jump on it in spite of everything you've written, if nothing else just to stick it to Time Warner who freely admit that they sell a garbage service and that they have no intention of upgrading it.

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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    I'm kinda curious....

    Just how much WOULD it cost to run fiber to every dwelling in the country, or whatever.
    And upgrade some switches and routers, probably.

    Edit: by "the country" I meant "the USA".
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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The people running Google Fiber seem to be happy with their service. The price seems reasonable. If it ever were offered here, I'd jump on it in spite of everything you've written, if nothing else just to stick it to Time Warner who freely admit that they sell a garbage service and that they have no intention of upgrading it.
    I would, too, if it ever gets to my neighborhood. My son-in-law has it and has been crowing for weeks about it. He has had some issues, though. The online game he's played for years hiccups for some odd reason that he hasn't figured out yet.


    And aside from faster downloads (I download more video than he does) it really hasn't changed his usage any. Netflix isn't any better and the game he plays isn't any better.
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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I'm kinda curious....

    Just how much WOULD it cost to run fiber to every dwelling in the country, or whatever.
    And upgrade some switches and routers, probably.

    Edit: by "the country" I meant "the USA".
    The estimate is $140 billion.

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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The estimate is $140 billion.
    Pocket change.

    Scrap part of Obamacare and get on that.


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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Pocket change.

    Scrap part of Obamacare and get on that.


    Infrastructure costs money. One of the big differences between a first world country and everyone else is the development of our infrastructure.

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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Infrastructure costs money. One of the big differences between a first world country and everyone else is the development of our infrastructure.
    I'd rather update our roads & bridges and large parts of our electrical grid before spending our money on internet speed.
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