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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Uhh.....

    Wow. Look at the list again dude.
    What part of the list disproves his statement. Because so far as I can tell it only supports it.
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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Not really... just a lame excuse. Most populations live in clusters, which are easy to service if you just try. Of course there will always be those that live in the middle of no where, and there might be more of those in the US and Russia and Canada, but they are a relative statistical irrelevancy when 99% of the population lives in clusters.

    It all comes down to investment and willingness to do so by companies and government, and here places like the US and others lower on the list are not willing to do the investment needed because there is no real competition to drive such investment. If you look at the list also, the countries at the top are also countries with lots and lots of choice... something those lower on the list dont have in many areas.
    This may be a valid point.
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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I have a car, it goes 100 miles an hour and I only need it to go 70. You're telling me I should have access to a car that goes 250 mph. I don't want it nor do I need it. Live within your means instead of wasting resources.

    You remind me of idiots I deal with in the public. The midsized business owner says he wants a full gigabit network end to end and is shocked when I tell him that all the PC's on his prem that he has have gigabit network cards in them, yet the PC itself cannot push that much data, nor can all the PC's on his network. He's adamant that he wants everything gigabit and is then shocked about the cost to pull fiber. He's shocked further about putting in high availability redundant connections for failover.

    Technical progress is great - no one wants to pay for gigabit. The ignorance is not knowing how the internet backbone works - not just in the US but around the world. That because 70mb is faster than 20mb doesn't make it better especially when it's not needed. All you end up doing is paying more... and for companies that own those networks people like you who pay more for usage they don't come close to maxing out, is soooo good for business.
    That's a great theory and all, except we have gigabit internet in places like Kansas City where google fiber is located. The cost is 70 bucks per month plus a 300 dollar installation fee. I'd gladly pay that if it were offered.

    Now Time Warner may charge business clients much more than that for the same service, labled "wideband," in fact I'm sure they do. But they don't need to as the example with Google shows.

    Are you gonna sit there and tell me it isn't faster than this time warner 15mbps garbage I have now? Unlikely. People who have Google Fiber rave about it. Even if you're only getting half of the advertised speed, that's still 500mbps for basically the same price I'm paying now for 15mbps.

    Also, you're talking about bottlenecks. Well, if we were wired for google fiber, maybe the bottleneck would be somewhere other than the fiber optics. Fine, what does that do? That puts pressure on other parts of the system to upgrade their services, to upgrade their products. So yes, it's a positive as technical advancement always is.

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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    For myself personally, I'm fine with my current internet provision - granted it's cable, somewhat limited due to location, only Comcast serves that area, but....

    It's better than the 56k dial-up I had before....now only a traumatic memory...
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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Average download speeds by country below. This is a good indicator of the state of infrastructural development in each country. Once upon a time, the United States was the most developed country in the world. Now, we lag behind almost everybody.

    In my opinion, this is an unacceptable report card. America gets an "F." We need legislative action to fix it immediately. What say you?



    *All values in mbps

    1. Hong Kong 72.06
    2. Singapore 60.76
    3. Romania 56.81
    4. South Korea 51.70
    5. Japan 42.24
    6. Sweden 40.80
    7. Lithuania 39.99
    8. Andorra 39.84
    9. Macau 39.83
    10. Netherlands 39.35
    11. Switzerland 38.82
    12. Denmark 36.54
    13. Taiwan 35.71
    14. Luxemborg 34.22
    15. Latvia 33.54
    16. Iceland 32.21
    17. Moldova 30.98
    18. Bulgaria 29.09
    19. Belgium 28.97
    20. Norway 27.29
    21. France 27.18
    22. Finland 26.63
    23. Germany 25.20
    24. Portugal 24.95
    25. Hungary 24.21
    26. Estonia 24.17
    27. Czech 23.70
    28. UK 23.48
    29. Aland 23.23
    30. Liechtenstein 23.14
    31. Israel 21.80
    32. United States 21.48
    33. Russia 21.28
    36. Canada 20.29
    44. China 16.76
    87 Italy 7.78


    **All data from ooka.com
    Not really. This almost reads as the countries by population density in the developed world. I think that's probably a factor.

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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Not really. This almost reads as the countries by population density in the developed world. I think that's probably a factor.
    Made me curious

    So: List of sovereign states and dependent territories by population density - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    According to that list, in descending order of population density (country they are dependent on in parentheses):

    1. Macau (China)
    2. Monaco
    3. Singapore
    4. Hong Kong (China)
    5. Gibraltar (UK)
    6. Vatican City
    7. Bahrain
    8. Malta
    9. Bermuda (UK)
    10. Sint Maarten (Netherlands)
    11. Maldives
    12. Bangladesh
    13. Jersey (UK)
    14. Guernsey (UK)
    15. Palestine
    16. Saint Martian (France)
    17. Taiwan
    18. Barbados
    19. Mauritius
    20. Mayotte (France)
    21. San Marino
    22. Aruba (Netherlands)
    23. South Korea
    24. Nauru
    25. Lebanon
    26. Tuvalu
    27. Saint Barthélemy (France)
    28. Rwanda
    29. Puerto Rico (US)
    30. Netherlands
    31. Comoros
    32. Haiti
    33. India
    34. Israel
    35. Belgium



    As you can see, many of these are islands and such.

    Here are a few key ones, and their rankings, however:

    39 Japan
    53 Germany
    83 China
    95 France
    120 Romania
    182 United States
    224 Russia
    230 Canada


    Edit: Romania is doing fairly well, considering density.
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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Not really... just a lame excuse. Most populations live in clusters, which are easy to service if you just try. Of course there will always be those that live in the middle of no where, and there might be more of those in the US and Russia and Canada, but they are a relative statistical irrelevancy when 99% of the population lives in clusters.

    It all comes down to investment and willingness to do so by companies and government, and here places like the US and others lower on the list are not willing to do the investment needed because there is no real competition to drive such investment. If you look at the list also, the countries at the top are also countries with lots and lots of choice... something those lower on the list dont have in many areas.
    And your comments demonstrate an inability to understand distance and size. We are talking about HUGH countries. Even though people may be clustered in groups. There are far MORE groups in the US, Canada, China, and Russia than there would be in any in single nation in Europe.
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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Uhh.....

    Wow. Look at the list again dude.
    I did. I am correct. You are not.
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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Are they gonna put a spool of fiber cable on the back of a railroad and let 'er rip? Come on, how does having a railroad that runs through Novosibirsk make it easier to run internet cable out there?

    By the way, people do live out there, since the area is very resource rich.
    Not just A railroad, THE railroad.

    First off, most of the nasty terrain work and access problems have already been taken care of. Need to get over/through a mountain? There's already a tunnel. Have a river to cross? There's already a bridge. Need power for those relay stations? The power line is right there. It's an uninterrupted route with (usually) plenty of room for other stuff along side it.

    Secondly, if you don't get that it's much, much easier to do any engineering project on a main supply line rather than hundreds of miles off the supply line then there's really no help for you.


    Not that many people. And how's the Internet service in the middle of nowhere?
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    Re: Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And your comments demonstrate an inability to understand distance and size. We are talking about HUGH countries. Even though people may be clustered in groups. There are far MORE groups in the US, Canada, China, and Russia than there would be in any in single nation in Europe.
    And that is still irrelevant. Just because you need more infrastructure because you have more groups means nothing... because with more groups you have more money to pay for it.

    It amazes me that most American's still hang on the size issue. Sweden has some of the highest speeds and best infrastructure out there...and only Alaska and Texas are bigger in the US. France is only slightly smaller than Texas and has better Internet I believe. South Korea, some of the best Internet on the planet.. is the as big or bigger than 40 of the US states and has more population than any US state.

    Size DOES NOT MATTER... it is the willingness to invest that matters.
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