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    Re: Are men in the western world losing their masculinity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    DA, the fact you said "provided you include the proper vitamin supplements" to support the argument that it is a healthy diet made me laugh.
    Good, the world needs more laughter.

    And yes, for an ideal plant-based diet, a couple of supplements (B12, calcium, possibly vitamin D and/or iron) may be necessary. So what? Just take a decent multivitamin - especially if you life weights (like I do).

    What is the big deal?

    It's still far cheaper, far more sustainable for humanity (about 7-13 calories of feed for every calorie of meat, depending on animal) and healthier long term.

    But, if you want to spend far more money, have (on average) worse long-term health and reduce the world's overall food supply far in excess of your meat-based caloric intake...go ahead.
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    Re: Are men in the western world losing their masculinity?

    I guess the men in the eastern world don't drink out of plastic cartons, they drink it right out of the donkey.
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    Re: Are men in the western world losing their masculinity?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I guess the men in the eastern world don't drink out of plastic cartons, they drink it right out of the donkey.
    Lol...good one.

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    Re: Are men in the western world losing their masculinity?

    Of course reliable studies might convince me otherwise, but I've read way too many "chemical/health" angst hysterias before to take that one seriously. Btw, some other day, I read that testosterone is decreasing in men, and blamed was the eating of meat. Yes, eating of meat: In industrial meet production, the animals are filled with growth hormones and ostrogenes for that they give more milk and grow more meat. By consuming non-bio meat, men are basically eating female hormones.

    But hey, you can read about dozens of such theories all around the web, and my impression is that even when these theories/headlines are based on serious studies, the conclusions are usually grossly exaggerated and the genuine scientists are much more relaxed about the possibility to draw conclusions based on their findings.


    If we're talking about social demasculation, though, that's a different topic. I tend to agree that in many Western regions, males are increasingly strolling apart from the classic "masculine" gender role that's traditionally upheld by some. But how you view that obviously depends on what you think of these traditional gender roles in the first place.
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    Re: Are men in the western world losing their masculinity?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    LOL.


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    Re: Are men in the western world losing their masculinity?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    But who is exempt to plastic exposure and thus secures themselves a place in the "Byzantine" throne?
    Ahhh! The Throne of Byzanz and how to grab it. What a game!

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    Re: Are men in the western world losing their masculinity?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Ummm, no it is not (provided you include the proper vitamin supplements). It is far healthier then a meat-based diet (with certain vitamin supplements) and FAR less expensive.
    How EXACTLY is a vegan diet unhealthy?
    A vegan diet is unbalanced that's why it's unhealthy. You mentioned supplements. I think natural supplements to a vegan diet such as meat, fish & eggs would do fine. And actually that is what most call themselves do. They cheat once in a while. So what.

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Nonsense.

    Clinical studies show no effects of soy protein or isoflavones on reproductive hormones in men: results of a meta-analysis

    Elsevier
    An irrelevant link to a non-scientific study of selected studies does not trump medical science.

    The mechanism of the endocrine disrupting compounds found in soy have been known for decades. We know how they work.

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I did not say it was the best, I said it was 'great' as a vegan source of protein.

    And meat is not the best source if protein...whey is much better.

    It is easier on the liver and other organs, avoids many red meat long-term health problems, the body absorbs the protein more completely then meat and is much cheaper then meat.
    1st of all, red meat does not cause health problems. That's a myth. Beef is an extremely nutritious health food. The only downside is that it tends to be expensive, which is why nefarious scoundrels will use cheap toxic soy as a filler in hamburger.

    And besides being toxic, soy also contains protease inhibitors which interfere with protein & fat digestion.

    And the problem with whey is that it's had most of it's nutrients removed. Meat & eggs are much healthier. Or even the milk that you got the whey from in the first place.

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    Re: Are men in the western world losing their masculinity?

    Liberal men surrender their masculinity the minute they embrace liberalism.

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    Re: Are men in the western world losing their masculinity?

    It's the soy, I tell ya.
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    Re: Are men in the western world losing their masculinity?

    So - after reading the new responses after my earlier post here's my 2nd opinion:

    #1: We're a fractured society. There is no longer one governing social / cultural body.
    #2: Masculinity and Feminity are concepts defined by a consensus of said social / cultural body - both change over time. Nothing these days reflects what it was 100 and 200 years ago (and so on).
    #3: If guy want to claim things are 'declining' they need to get together and come to an agreement on what masculinity *is* to begin with.

    I would prefer if guys don't resort to: fashion, entertainment options, choice of food and drink - because these are relatively insignificant overall and fluctuate widely decade to decade. Also: things like food seem to plant "masculine" as being "choosing anything that's unhealthy" like "beer and pizza."

    Let's see some form of accepted masculinity that: Doesn't side-line health, education, or morality.

    Because if it keeps taking the next rung down - and down - soon being 'masculine' is going to equal 'being in a biker gang' or 'being a street bum'

    It seems that, so far, the only thing some guys want to agree on are that 'masculine guys' have more 'muscle' or 'physical capabilities' - without factoring in things like 'only using your physical ability when it's necessary' . . . so that leaves things open: it can go all over from war hero to street thug, honestly.
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