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    Re: Are men in the western world losing their masculinity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Meat and eggs are high in saturated fats, cholesterols, choline, creatines, minerals and other substances that are vital to normal hormone production.

    One of the culprits of low testosterone in 2014 compared to 1980 might be our low fat diets, as fats are essentially the precursors to hormones, and animal fats are more effective in this regard than plant fats.
    I just want to chime in on the subject of dietary changes - because it's undeniable there have been significant changes in the last 50 and then 100+ years.

    Major changes: an increase in the consumption of processed sugar, fat, and carbohydrates. Mainly: snacks, junk food, candies, sodas, and bread products. This is unprecedented in human history and has various negative effects on both males and females.

    If testosterone is down it's likely due to an increase in unhealthy lifestyle choices which involve those foods and more sedentary lifestyles. Basically: lifestyle choices are rendering high testosterone levels to be unnecessary for the male body to maintain.

    Someone at some point mentioned soy: it's high in estrogen. You shouldn't feed a boy soy, it leads to gynocamastia (male breasts) for some. It's standard knowledge if you're a mother of a lactose intolerant child (btw). I learned this by researching caseine and lactose low diets for 2 of my kids when they were struggling with a health issue in the past. Things like almond milk were given temporarily instead.

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    If you define masculinity as "aggression" and "will for dominating others", "disrespect for others" and "lack of communication skills", as you seem to do, I'd rather say it's barbaric lack of civilization that's declining.
    Sadly, I agree. It seems that just being a civil person is in decline if masculinity involves displays of aggression and so on. If you talk out your problems instead of fighting them out your 'pussy whipped' as my ex used to say. For shame. Real men shouldn't have to fight it out to settle matters, I imagine they would have matured past that urge.

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    Re: Are men in the western world losing their masculinity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I just want to chime in on the subject of dietary changes - because it's undeniable there have been significant changes in the last 50 and then 100+ years.

    Major changes: an increase in the consumption of processed sugar, fat, and carbohydrates. Mainly: snacks, junk food, candies, sodas, and bread products. This is unprecedented in human history and has various negative effects on both males and females.

    If testosterone is down it's likely due to an increase in unhealthy lifestyle choices which involve those foods and more sedentary lifestyles. Basically: lifestyle choices are rendering high testosterone levels to be unnecessary for the male body to maintain.

    Someone at some point mentioned soy: it's high in estrogen. You shouldn't feed a boy soy, it leads to gynocamastia (male breasts) for some. It's standard knowledge if you're a mother of a lactose intolerant child (btw). I learned this by researching caseine and lactose low diets for 2 of my kids when they were struggling with a health issue in the past. Things like almond milk were given temporarily instead.



    Sadly, I agree. It seems that just being a civil person is in decline if masculinity involves displays of aggression and so on. If you talk out your problems instead of fighting them out your 'pussy whipped' as my ex used to say. For shame. Real men shouldn't have to fight it out to settle matters, I imagine they would have matured past that urge.

    Life is soft for the modern HUMAN living in a 1st class society. Male or female: very few people have ever had to tough it out.

    I agree with you that diet is most likely the culprit of the lowered testosterone levels we're seeing today (and we are seeing them, it has been researched).

    Many researchers believe that phytoestrogens found in plastics and pesticides are also to blame. Of course, the chemical companies and their lobbyists disagree...

    There's an interesting 60 minutes piece on it if you have time to take a look.

    http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/av/video...ayer_embed.swf

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    Re: Are men in the western world losing their masculinity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I agree with you that diet is most likely the culprit of the lowered testosterone levels we're seeing today (and we are seeing them, it has been researched).

    Many researchers believe that phytoestrogens found in plastics and pesticides are also to blame. Of course, the chemical companies and their lobbyists disagree...

    There's an interesting 60 minutes piece on it if you have time to take a look.

    http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/av/video...ayer_embed.swf
    We use a host of additive and preservatives and all too often the 'long term, low dose effects' are unknown. Many aren't researched at all. (Do rats count?)

    There are other things to consider: Adults, on average, sleep less. Many people are 'exhausted' day in and day out. Sleep apnea is on a rise (most likely due to an increase in body mass). Certain environments are more stressful, psychologically (work, school, etc - in the past stressors likely spiked the demand for testosterone. I'm just assuming. No studies can be done on 300 year old dead guys - sorry). An increased reliance on medications for normal daily function. A side effect of some of my husband's heart and other meds are things like Low-t. Also, exposure to environmental toxins can contribute.

    (I sound like a greener. LOL)

    You know - everything that defines us as a modern society can be a culprit.
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    Re: Are men in the western world losing their masculinity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    So you cite the American Dietetic Association which is funded by ConAgra. All that article means is that ConAgra sold it's meat division so now they say vegetarian diets are good.

    There is nothing scientific about that.
    You have posted zip links to back up anything you have said...I will waste no further time on this with you.

    We are done on this until you post links to unbiased sources to back up ALL your claims.


    Good day.
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    Re: Are men in the western world losing their masculinity?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Riiiight.

    You have posted zip links to back up anything you have said...I will waste no further time on this with you.

    We are done on this until you post links to unbiased sources to back up ALL your claims.
    I'm not doing your homework for you.

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    Re: Are men in the western world losing their masculinity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    I'm not pulling anyone's leg. I'm giving you helpful advice to keep your mind and body in great condition.

    If you don't want to take advice from an expert in nutrition like myself. Fine. It's your own body that you are poisoning. However, anyone who puts their child on some vegan diet just so they can feel smug and "envirionmentally conscious" ought to be tossed in prison for a very long time.
    Sooooo....you are now advocating very long prison terms for parents of children who feed their children a solely plant-based diet?

    Riiiiiiight.

    I think I have a better idea of your level of intellect and rationality now.

    Bu bye.

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    Re: Are men in the western world losing their masculinity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    I'm not doing your homework for you.
    In other words...you got nothing.

    Bu bye.

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    Re: Are men in the western world losing their masculinity?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    You have posted zip links to back up anything you have said...I will waste no further time on this with you.

    We are done on this until you post links to unbiased sources to back up ALL your claims.


    Good day.
    Though the statement doesn't go very far to proving anything, if there is a money reason to say something specific, you might want to check the facts somewhere else.

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    Re: Are men in the western world losing their masculinity?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    In other words...you got nothing.

    Bu bye.
    You are the one who made the outrageous claim that meat was unhealthy. The onus is on you to prove it.

    Same thing with that ridiculous crap you said about soy being an excellent source of dietary protein.

    Pre-WWII soy wasn't even considered to be fit for human consumption except for small amounts of fermented soy, mainly for use as a condiment (soy sauce, miso) in Asia. It was used for nitrogen fixing the soil, to extract soy oil for use as an industrial lubricant and to use as cattle feed, never as a dietary staple for humans.

    When Americans started consuming a lot of soy products in lieu of animal fat (margarine instead of butter, Crisco instead of lard, soybean oil instead of beef talow) the country's heart disease and cancer rates skyrocketed.
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    Re: Are men in the western world losing their masculinity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Pre-WWII soy wasn't even considered to be fit for human consumption except for small amounts of fermented soy, mainly for use as a condiment (soy sauce, miso) in Asia. It was used for nitrogen fixing the soil, to extract soy oil for use as an industrial lubricant and to use as cattle feed, never as a dietary staple for humans.
    False.

    Early Uses. Soybeans were grown for centuries in Asia mainly for their seeds. These were used in preparing a large variety of fresh, fermented and dried food products that were considered indispensable to oriental diets. Soybeans were not used to any great extent for forage in Asia.
    Origin, History and Uses of Soybean
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