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  • If there is discrimination, should it be legally allowed?

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    Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    A black man owns a barbeque joint and caters for events regularly; christmas parties, birthdays, weddings, etc.

    A local KKK outfit is having an annual "White Power" Rally and cookout and actually seeks to hire said black man to cater their event.

    The business owner, realizing that the event he'd be catering is a "White Power Rally", doesn't want the groups business and refuses to cater the event.

    A few questions here...

    1. Is the owner discriminating against catering "White Power" events?

    2. Is the owner discriminating against white people?

    3. If there is discrimination, is it discrimination that should be legally allowed?

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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A black man owns a barbeque joint and caters for events regularly; christmas parties, birthdays, weddings, etc.

    A local KKK outfit is having an annual cookout and actually seeks to hire said black man to cater their event.

    The business owner, realizing that the event he'd be catering is a KKK event, doesn't want the groups business and refuses to cater the event.

    A few questions here...

    1. Is the owner discriminating against catering KKK events?

    2. Is the owner discriminating against white people?

    3. If there is discrimination, is it discrimination that should be legally allowed?
    Interesting, Zyphlin. I think I see where you're going with this. ?? You didn't quite have an option that fit my thoughts. I'd say, yes, he's discriminating. And he's perfectly within his rights to do so. If you're going where I think you're going, comparing this to a bakery, for example, his catering business isn't open to the general public. It is "by arrangement only."

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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    1. No
    2. Very No
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    dis·crim·i·na·tion
    disˌkriməˈnāSHən/Submit
    noun
    1. the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, age, or sex.
    I am certain this business owner would allow service to white people who are not members of the KKK, and has in the afformentioned events he regularly caters for. He is not denying service based on race (or age/sex) he's denying service for what they say and have a history of which is violence.
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    1. Is the owner discriminating against catering KKK events?

    Yes he is.


    2. Is the owner discriminating against white people?

    He is discriminating against a group of (one would assume) white people, a subset if you will, but not all white people.

    3. If there is discrimination, is it discrimination that should be legally allowed?


    Given the recent incident where a bakery was publicly told that they cannot discriminate against a gay couple by refusing to bake said gay couples wedding cake, I would expect a similar course of action by the KKK would be filed with the state, identifying discrimination. If discrimination against gay couples is not tolerated, discrimination of religion is not tolerated, I cannot see how discrimination in this case could be tolerated. I would expect, would the case go to court, ultimately the caterer would be required to cater the event legally. However, I seriously doubt it would get that far, as with the bakery - they would temporarily go out of business or restructure their business such that they no longer deal with the general public.
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A black man owns a barbeque joint and caters for events regularly; christmas parties, birthdays, weddings, etc.

    A local KKK outfit is having an annual "White Power" Rally and cookout and actually seeks to hire said black man to cater their event.

    The business owner, realizing that the event he'd be catering is a "White Power Rally", doesn't want the groups business and refuses to cater the event.

    A few questions here...

    1. Is the owner discriminating against catering "White Power" events?

    2. Is the owner discriminating against white people?

    3. If there is discrimination, is it discrimination that should be legally allowed?
    I think he should take the gig and call the NAACP so they know to protest the event and its' location. He could inform National media and he should also drive a "roach coach" with lots of his BBQ to sell to the crowds. After all, it is about capitalism in this case.

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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I think he should take the gig and call the NAACP so they know to protest the event and its' location. He could inform National media and he should also drive a "roach coach" with lots of his BBQ to sell to the crowds. After all, it is about capitalism in this case.
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A black man owns a barbeque joint and caters for events regularly; christmas parties, birthdays, weddings, etc.

    A local KKK outfit is having an annual "White Power" Rally and cookout and actually seeks to hire said black man to cater their event.

    The business owner, realizing that the event he'd be catering is a "White Power Rally", doesn't want the groups business and refuses to cater the event.

    A few questions here...

    1. Is the owner discriminating against catering "White Power" events?

    2. Is the owner discriminating against white people?

    3. If there is discrimination, is it discrimination that should be legally allowed?
    I would say it is discrimination. If you turn it around or think it were a gay power group that was turned down?
    And do we want the government discriminating its behavior towards citizens? I don't think so.

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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    I always distinguish between what is a choice and what is fixed when determining bigotry. In the cases you mentioned, any potential business owner is clearly dealing with a matter of choice among his prospective clients, since they are obviously chosing to be members of a hate group.

    In his regard, the owner would be showing justified discrimination in the first case but this would not fit the definition of discrimination from a legal standpoint. The second case is an obvious "no".
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    He's more than justified in doing so.

    To think they had the audacity to ask is beyond me. White people are something else.
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A black man owns a barbeque joint and caters for events regularly; christmas parties, birthdays, weddings, etc.

    A local KKK outfit is having an annual "White Power" Rally and cookout and actually seeks to hire said black man to cater their event.

    The business owner, realizing that the event he'd be catering is a "White Power Rally", doesn't want the groups business and refuses to cater the event.

    A few questions here...

    1. Is the owner discriminating against catering "White Power" events?

    2. Is the owner discriminating against white people?

    3. If there is discrimination, is it discrimination that should be legally allowed?
    There are a lot of black businesses that only deal with black customers. Growing up there were a ton of businesses that white people were not welcome. Still are today. I wouldn't say its wrong. A business should be able to choose who they do business with.
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