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Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

Questions regarding discrimination


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Zyphlin

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A black man owns a barbeque joint and caters for events regularly; christmas parties, birthdays, weddings, etc.

A local KKK outfit is having an annual "White Power" Rally and cookout and actually seeks to hire said black man to cater their event.

The business owner, realizing that the event he'd be catering is a "White Power Rally", doesn't want the groups business and refuses to cater the event.

A few questions here...

1. Is the owner discriminating against catering "White Power" events?

2. Is the owner discriminating against white people?

3. If there is discrimination, is it discrimination that should be legally allowed?
 
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A black man owns a barbeque joint and caters for events regularly; christmas parties, birthdays, weddings, etc.

A local KKK outfit is having an annual cookout and actually seeks to hire said black man to cater their event.

The business owner, realizing that the event he'd be catering is a KKK event, doesn't want the groups business and refuses to cater the event.

A few questions here...

1. Is the owner discriminating against catering KKK events?

2. Is the owner discriminating against white people?

3. If there is discrimination, is it discrimination that should be legally allowed?

Interesting, Zyphlin. I think I see where you're going with this. ?? You didn't quite have an option that fit my thoughts. I'd say, yes, he's discriminating. And he's perfectly within his rights to do so. If you're going where I think you're going, comparing this to a bakery, for example, his catering business isn't open to the general public. It is "by arrangement only."
 
1. No
2. Very No
3. N/A

dis·crim·i·na·tion
disˌkriməˈnāSHən/Submit
noun
1. the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

I am certain this business owner would allow service to white people who are not members of the KKK, and has in the afformentioned events he regularly caters for. He is not denying service based on race (or age/sex) he's denying service for what they say and have a history of which is violence.
 
1. Is the owner discriminating against catering KKK events?

Yes he is.


2. Is the owner discriminating against white people?

He is discriminating against a group of (one would assume) white people, a subset if you will, but not all white people.

3. If there is discrimination, is it discrimination that should be legally allowed?


Given the recent incident where a bakery was publicly told that they cannot discriminate against a gay couple by refusing to bake said gay couples wedding cake, I would expect a similar course of action by the KKK would be filed with the state, identifying discrimination. If discrimination against gay couples is not tolerated, discrimination of religion is not tolerated, I cannot see how discrimination in this case could be tolerated. I would expect, would the case go to court, ultimately the caterer would be required to cater the event legally. However, I seriously doubt it would get that far, as with the bakery - they would temporarily go out of business or restructure their business such that they no longer deal with the general public.
 
A black man owns a barbeque joint and caters for events regularly; christmas parties, birthdays, weddings, etc.

A local KKK outfit is having an annual "White Power" Rally and cookout and actually seeks to hire said black man to cater their event.

The business owner, realizing that the event he'd be catering is a "White Power Rally", doesn't want the groups business and refuses to cater the event.

A few questions here...

1. Is the owner discriminating against catering "White Power" events?

2. Is the owner discriminating against white people?

3. If there is discrimination, is it discrimination that should be legally allowed?

I think he should take the gig and call the NAACP so they know to protest the event and its' location. He could inform National media and he should also drive a "roach coach" with lots of his BBQ to sell to the crowds. After all, it is about capitalism in this case.
 
I think he should take the gig and call the NAACP so they know to protest the event and its' location. He could inform National media and he should also drive a "roach coach" with lots of his BBQ to sell to the crowds. After all, it is about capitalism in this case.

Your capitalism is showing... ;)
 
A black man owns a barbeque joint and caters for events regularly; christmas parties, birthdays, weddings, etc.

A local KKK outfit is having an annual "White Power" Rally and cookout and actually seeks to hire said black man to cater their event.

The business owner, realizing that the event he'd be catering is a "White Power Rally", doesn't want the groups business and refuses to cater the event.

A few questions here...

1. Is the owner discriminating against catering "White Power" events?

2. Is the owner discriminating against white people?

3. If there is discrimination, is it discrimination that should be legally allowed?

I would say it is discrimination. If you turn it around or think it were a gay power group that was turned down?
And do we want the government discriminating its behavior towards citizens? I don't think so.
 
I always distinguish between what is a choice and what is fixed when determining bigotry. In the cases you mentioned, any potential business owner is clearly dealing with a matter of choice among his prospective clients, since they are obviously chosing to be members of a hate group.

In his regard, the owner would be showing justified discrimination in the first case but this would not fit the definition of discrimination from a legal standpoint. The second case is an obvious "no".
 
He's more than justified in doing so.

To think they had the audacity to ask is beyond me. White people are something else.
 
A black man owns a barbeque joint and caters for events regularly; christmas parties, birthdays, weddings, etc.

A local KKK outfit is having an annual "White Power" Rally and cookout and actually seeks to hire said black man to cater their event.

The business owner, realizing that the event he'd be catering is a "White Power Rally", doesn't want the groups business and refuses to cater the event.

A few questions here...

1. Is the owner discriminating against catering "White Power" events?

2. Is the owner discriminating against white people?

3. If there is discrimination, is it discrimination that should be legally allowed?

There are a lot of black businesses that only deal with black customers. Growing up there were a ton of businesses that white people were not welcome. Still are today. I wouldn't say its wrong. A business should be able to choose who they do business with.
 
Your capitalism is showing... ;)

You are precisely correct. The "capitalism" is showing, not "Corporatism." That shows up after the National Media sensationalizes it and puts the "Mighty Wurlitzer" spin on the story to adjust the masses mind meld.
 
A black man owns a barbeque joint and caters for events regularly; christmas parties, birthdays, weddings, etc.

A local KKK outfit is having an annual "White Power" Rally and cookout and actually seeks to hire said black man to cater their event.

The business owner, realizing that the event he'd be catering is a "White Power Rally", doesn't want the groups business and refuses to cater the event.

A few questions here...

1. Is the owner discriminating against catering "White Power" events?

2. Is the owner discriminating against white people?

3. If there is discrimination, is it discrimination that should be legally allowed?

as far as i know he is legally discriminating against white power rallies

I see nothing that is illegal by laws and rights here
he has the right to legally discriminate in this case because

the rally is not illegally about age, disability, origin, race/color, gender, religion or in some cases sexual orientation


UNLESS the KKK is a recognized religion in his state, county or municipality then there could be an issue.

would be an interesting case if they took it up but unless the KKK is a recognized religion in his municipality, county or state id see them completely losing
 
A black man owns a barbeque joint and caters for events regularly; christmas parties, birthdays, weddings, etc.

A local KKK outfit is having an annual "White Power" Rally and cookout and actually seeks to hire said black man to cater their event.

The business owner, realizing that the event he'd be catering is a "White Power Rally", doesn't want the groups business and refuses to cater the event.

A few questions here...

1. Is the owner discriminating against catering "White Power" events?

2. Is the owner discriminating against white people?
3. If there is discrimination, is it discrimination that should be legally allowed?




I seriously doubt that this is actually happening.

Give us some more details, like: who, where,why, what, and how.
 
He's more than justified in doing so.

To think they had the audacity to ask is beyond me. White people are something else.

Then you must also agree with other types of discrimination, such as by religion, belief, or sexual orientation I assume?
 
A black man owns a barbeque joint and caters for events regularly; christmas parties, birthdays, weddings, etc.

A local KKK outfit is having an annual "White Power" Rally and cookout and actually seeks to hire said black man to cater their event.

The business owner, realizing that the event he'd be catering is a "White Power Rally", doesn't want the groups business and refuses to cater the event.

A few questions here...

1. Is the owner discriminating against catering "White Power" events?

2. Is the owner discriminating against white people?

3. If there is discrimination, is it discrimination that should be legally allowed?
There is NO WAY they would ask a barbeque joint they know is owned by a black To cater their event in the first place. White power people are well known for being repulsed by black people handling their food. Are you telling me these people wouldn't rather throw a few steaks on the grill themselves.
 
The catering choice kind of defeats the purpose of the rally, right? :lol:


I don't think anyone discriminates by denying services to a known hate/terrorist (even if it's not recognized as such) group.
 
This poses an interesting point. While there is clearly "discrimination" involved it is not racial but idealogical. Perhaps the BBQ man and the baker (which refused to make a "gay wedding" cake) can convince a thinking judge that the gov't mandated support for a political idea/cause is, in fact, violating protected speech. The flip side is that allowing a judge to decide such cases, based on the "protected class" nonsense, means that the GLBT folks may then receive different "just us" than the KKK folks. ;)
 
A black man owns a barbeque joint and caters for events regularly; christmas parties, birthdays, weddings, etc.

A local KKK outfit is having an annual "White Power" Rally and cookout and actually seeks to hire said black man to cater their event.

The business owner, realizing that the event he'd be catering is a "White Power Rally", doesn't want the groups business and refuses to cater the event.

A few questions here...

1. Is the owner discriminating against catering "White Power" events?

2. Is the owner discriminating against white people?

3. If there is discrimination, is it discrimination that should be legally allowed?

It's discrimination, and yes to number 3. The owner HAPPENS to be discriminating against white people, but not BECAUSE they are white, but for other reasons. There is a fine line. Just like bars and restaurants can refuse service to patrons who are getting rowdy, but they can't refuse service simply due to another's skin color or gender.
 
He's more than justified in doing so.

To think they had the audacity to ask is beyond me. White people are something else.

Really? Suppose it was a white caterer and they refused to serve a Jesse Jackson (or Al Sharpton) rally based on the "political message"?
 
It's discrimination, and yes to number 3. The owner HAPPENS to be discriminating against white people, but not BECAUSE they are white, but for other reasons. There is a fine line. Just like bars and restaurants can refuse service to patrons who are getting rowdy, but they can't refuse service simply due to another's skin color or gender.

Is holding a political rally "getting rowdy"? What if the caterer were white and they refused to serve at a Jesse Jackson rally?

I will agree that there is a fine line but the question is - who gets to draw that line?
 
If the reasoning behind the lawsuit against the caterer was legitimate, then yes he his discrimination is not legal.

Regardless whether he should or should not be able to, it is just a truism that he is "discriminating" against them. The only issue is whether he should be allowed to.
 
I seriously doubt that this is actually happening.

Give us some more details, like: who, where,why, what, and how.

Sorry for your misunderstanding; perhaps my post was less clear than I thought it was.

The scenario I described was a hypothetical for the purposes of a discussion...I'm not claiming it to be a real occurence.
 
It is not a direct comparison to the lawsuit concerning a gay marriage. A direct comparison would be refusing to provide services to a Stonewall's Club as it is a political organization. If a person can refuse to provide services to a KKK function, a person could refuse services to a gay rights organization's function on the same principle.
 
Is holding a political rally "getting rowdy"? What if the caterer were white and they refused to serve at a Jesse Jackson rally?

I will agree that there is a fine line but the question is - who gets to draw that line?

the law and our rights draw the line, if its gray then the courts clear it up

this is easy did they discriminate on the bases of age, disability, genetic info, national origin/race/color, religion, gender or in some case sexual orientation

is so its illegal

if not its not
 
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