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  • Is he discriminating against white power rallies?

    16 76.19%
  • Is he discriminating against white people?

    1 4.76%
  • If there is discrimination, should it be legally allowed?

    13 61.90%
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    sorry charlie, not all genders, races, national origins or sexual orientations are considered "protected" under the law.

    but you are right on one point...facts do win again....
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    greath lengths? LMAO wow anyway

    thank you for this post because it shows exactly why so many of your posts fail
    "my opinion" on this issues and to your question doesn't matter and you did NOT ask me for my opinion you as me a legal question. You asked in my estimation.

    well the estimation based on facts, laws and rights are, yes, he can do so IF its not illegal

    if you want my opinion you must specify and ill gladly answer
    More dodging and playing around with words. I asked your opinion, you went off on a couple little rants now giving me everything but your opinion. Is it discrimination in your opinion or not? Wasn't even trying to set you up for a follow up, it was a straight forward question. I know, you're not used to that.

    My posts fail only in your eyes, but those are the same eyes that see their own opinion as fact. Everyone here sees the silliness in that.

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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A black man owns a barbeque joint and caters for events regularly; christmas parties, birthdays, weddings, etc.

    A local KKK outfit is having an annual "White Power" Rally and cookout and actually seeks to hire said black man to cater their event.

    The business owner, realizing that the event he'd be catering is a "White Power Rally", doesn't want the groups business and refuses to cater the event.

    A few questions here...

    1. Is the owner discriminating against catering "White Power" events?

    2. Is the owner discriminating against white people?

    3. If there is discrimination, is it discrimination that should be legally allowed?
    Yes the owner is discriminating against a "white power" group
    No the owner is not discriminating against white people in general.
    Yes his discrimination should be legally allowed.

    Some have brought up the baker case in regard to not wanting to bake wedding cakes for same sex couples. The only reason a "white power" group would want to hire a black caterer is to start some "stuff". And since the case of the Christian photographer in New Mexico being taken to court over not wanting to participate in a gay marriage, the bakery in Oregon, a Christian couple too and recently the Christian baker in Colorado, enough evidence has been surfacing that all these people too were sought out by gay activists who wanted to start some "stuff". None of these people discriminated against gay people in general. They took photographs for them, they sold them all occasion cakes and pastries, just not any service pertaining to same sex marriage. So yes, these discriminations if that is what you want to call them should be allowed by law. Otherwise at one point we will all be forced to go against our very being.

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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    1)More dodging and playing around with words.
    2.)I asked your opinion
    3.) you went off on a couple little rants now giving me everything but your opinion.
    4.) Is it discrimination in your opinion or not?
    5.)Wasn't even trying to set you up for a follow up
    6.) it was a straight forward question.
    7.) I know, you're not used to that.
    8.) My posts fail only in your eyes
    9.), but those are the same eyes that see their own opinion as fact.
    10.) Everyone here sees the silliness in that.
    1.) lie #1
    2.) lie #2
    3.) lie #3 you factually never asked for opinion
    4.) my opinion lines up with the law and rights so . . . . wait for it . . . . .wait for it . . . the law say no, i agree im my OPINION
    5.) never claimed you did, please stay on topic and stick with things that were actually said
    6.) correct and when i answered it the way you asked it bothered you and entertained me
    7.) actually many honest, respected, topically educated and objective posters do that around here
    8.) no it factually failed because you asked for my estimation but you really wanted my opinion, thats a factual fail
    9.) link? proof? facts? thats right like usual you have ZERO lol your posts reek of desperation in an endless attempt to save face
    10.) yes they do see the silliness in asking one thing, getting that and then being upset something different wasnt given. I agree. Next time you'll be able to avoid your issue
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    I Honestly believe that the question is formed poorly in the poll so i voted the third option because it best represents my answer. but that does not mean i agree with it completely.

    I don't believe it is discrimination. No one should be forced to create/ serve something/ serve for something, they believe is morally wrong. For instance if a white women baker who was a christian was asked to bake a cake for a homosexual couple she could not discriminate against them. she would bake their cake and everything would be fine. but if they ask for something like two men kissing on the cake for instance, then she would be within her right to refuse to make THAT cake. she would not be discriminating against the couple, or in this case the black man against the white guys, but rather be objecting to what they are asking them to actually do, which goes against their personal moral code, and their business code of ethics. in this case the black man would be objecting to going to the rally. If they wanted to come and get his food from his store and buy a heck of a lot of it and serve it themselves then that would be within their right and the black store owner could not say no to them. However sense they are asking him to associate his business with the rally he can say he objects to the rally and not the white guys themselves.

    That is my opinion and understanding of how the law works anyway. Do take it with a grain of salt.
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes the owner is discriminating against a "white power" group
    No the owner is not discriminating against white people in general.
    Yes his discrimination should be legally allowed.

    Some have brought up the baker case in regard to not wanting to bake wedding cakes for same sex couples. The only reason a "white power" group would want to hire a black caterer is to start some "stuff". And since the case of the Christian photographer in New Mexico being taken to court over not wanting to participate in a gay marriage, the bakery in Oregon, a Christian couple too and recently the Christian baker in Colorado, enough evidence has been surfacing that all these people too were sought out by gay activists who wanted to start some "stuff". None of these people discriminated against gay people in general. They took photographs for them, they sold them all occasion cakes and pastries, just not any service pertaining to same sex marriage. So yes, these discriminations if that is what you want to call them should be allowed by law. Otherwise at one point we will all be forced to go against our very being.
    Could not agree more. At some point it becomes ridiculous. if someone disagrees with you and wont do what you want,it gets to where you can sue them and make them have to do what you want them to do because they are "discriminating" against you for some reason. Two people can disagree, and one can refuse to do as the other tells them. Disagreement and freedom of choice concerning your own beliefs and actions is the whole foundation of this country and western democracy.
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    please cite me the applicable section of this law that FORCES businesses to discriminate against gays.

    making it legal to do something in no way forces anyone to do it.
    I never said it did. Either you're unable or unwilling to read what's typed. Bless your heart.
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    So, the white caterer who refuses to cater for an NAACP function is well within his rights to do so in your estimation?
    Yes, as would be any photographer etc. Now the NAACP may want to publicize the sleight, as might the KKK, but they should have no civil recourse to being refused.
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Yes, as would be any photographer etc. Now the NAACP may want to publicize the sleight, as might the KKK, but they should have no civil recourse to being refused.
    Thank you for answering the question. Also, I agree with you.

    I suppose the issue was a tad more complex when mobility and variety were more restricted, with only one caterer or one photographer to do business with.

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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    To me the boundary is participation. If the service provided with or without product requires a business to participate in an event, then they shouldn't have to. If the service or product is acquired without participation at the actual event required, then they should not be able to refuse.
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