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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    to apply your example to the bakery issue. If a gay person came into the bakery for a cake, and they refused to sell it, then that is discrimination. An organized gay wedding is clearly about active idealogical event......
    Catering one would certainly fall into that category, but entering, ordering, and picking up wouldn't be any different than any other patron in his public establishment.

    I personally don't have a problem with the religious exemption for direct services to weddings, or gay parades, or gay protests. But anything else, I have a problem. Those laws like AZ is trying to pass are way too broad.
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    to apply your example to the bakery issue. If a gay person came into the bakery for a cake, and they refused to sell it, then that is discrimination. An organized gay wedding is clearly about active idealogical event......
    No it has to do with physical location firstly, as in so long as all exchanges are at a public establishment, and no wedding or organized group is entering or disturbing the business, then they have to sell the cake. If they are required to deliver or cater the event, ie be a part of the event, then no it's not discrimination to refuse to participate. Offer the food, but not the additional service.
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Catering one would certainly fall into that category, but entering, ordering, and picking up wouldn't be any different than any other patron in his public establishment.

    I personally don't have a problem with the religious exemption for direct services to weddings, or gay parades, or gay protests. But anything else, I have a problem. Those laws like AZ is trying to pass are way too broad.
    IMHO, this is much ado about nothing. It's not like any of these laws are forcing businesses to not serve gays. and any businesses that would take advantage of these laws will suffer the consequences of their actions.
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    No it has to do with physical location firstly, as in so long as all exchanges are at a public establishment, and no wedding or organized group is entering or disturbing the business, then they have to sell the cake. If they are required to deliver or cater the event, ie be a part of the event, then no it's not discrimination to refuse to participate. Offer the food, but not the additional service.
    so, in the case of the OP, if the KKK wanted the black dude to provide the food and they were going to come to his shop and pick it up, it would be discrimination for him to refuse?
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    IMHO, this is much ado about nothing. It's not like any of these laws are forcing businesses to not serve gays. and any businesses that would take advantage of these laws will suffer the consequences of their actions.
    Well then you've not read the law, nor have you considered the irreversible problems that could be caused, particularly in small communities. But feel free to keep thinking that way so you can brush it off as nothing.... ie BE PART OF THE PROBLEM
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so, in the case of the OP, if the KKK wanted the black dude to provide the food and they were going to come to his shop and pick it up, it would be discrimination for him to refuse?
    Yes, so long as they entered and left without incident.
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so, in the case of the OP, if the KKK wanted the black dude to provide the food and they were going to come to his shop and pick it up, it would be discrimination for him to refuse?
    yes it would be LEGAL discrimination
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Well then you've not read the law, nor have you considered the irreversible problems that could be caused, particularly in small communities. But feel free to keep thinking that way so you can brush it off as nothing.... ie BE PART OF THE PROBLEM
    please cite me the applicable section of this law that FORCES businesses to discriminate against gays.

    making it legal to do something in no way forces anyone to do it.
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    yes it would be LEGAL discrimination
    no laws were broken, no rights were infringed on
    well....so much for everyone being equal under the law......
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    no thats not how it works, the discrimination has to be shown to be illegal and in this case its not unless the KKK is a recognized religion in his state, county or manciplity
    So, the white caterer who refuses to cater for an NAACP function is well within his rights to do so in your estimation?

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