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  • Is he discriminating against white power rallies?

    16 76.19%
  • Is he discriminating against white people?

    1 4.76%
  • If there is discrimination, should it be legally allowed?

    13 61.90%
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Thread: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    The OP poll raises a good point because I think everyone's instinct is "of course he can refuse." BUT then we get into the absolutes of platitudes to rationalize about it.

    The topic of discrimination can get lost in such absolutes leading to freedom being replaced with authoritarianism. Generally, most people will be decent and normal if they are treated decently and nicely.

    When we decided to make a spontaneous drive to Key West, not any real timing or destination schedule we didn't make reservations not knowing when we would end or where. However, it was a holiday weekend and as we drove the long length of the Keys every hotel was full. Finally, in Key West after midnight we had to get a very expensive suite at the Mariott. We were going to thus spend the day in Key West, but drive out that night into Miami for a room.

    But as we went around Key West on a rented scooter, my wife said she wanted to ask if they had a room at a very colorful, quaint little hotel entirely enclosed by fences and plants. She quickly came out informing they had a room. However, when I went back in with her the owner started hedging not sure how to say what she needed to. Her and I both understood. We hadn't noticed the coded words on the sign. Or maybe I hadn't and my wife had and that caused her to think they might have a room available? Because of the qualifiers, it had vacancies where no other hotel did.

    This was a hotel specifically for women - and more specifically lesbian women. More along the lines of a private club, though open to all lesbians. My wife asked to speak to her privately and 10 minutes later we had a room with an exit straight out to the sidewalk, the only request that I not go in the private pool area as the women like to go naked there. However we were welcomed to use the tiny dining room as long as we didn't go thru the pool area to get to it.

    Does that hotel "discriminate?" Absolutely. The owner discriminates on both sex and sexual orientation. AND I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. I see no problem with a lesbian woman wanting to set up basically a mini nudist camp hotel for lesbians. I would have no problem with someone doing so for straight couples either. I think women - straight or gay - certain can have their own naked pool area and it would be going overboard to declare it illegal and the woman lose her hotel in a discrimination lawsuit.

    I do not like discrimination. But I also do not like the absolutism many want to apply to it.

    PS edit... To those who response "but what if everyone..." my response is then we'd deal with the problem. "But what if everyone..." is rarely a persuasive argument to me. Sometimes it comes down to are we all going to equally have no individual rights or unequally all free to be ourselves?
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I can tell you a case, where a similar event actually occurred. Except the caterer didn't turn down the work.

    About 30+ years ago, I lived in Jacksonville, FL (very redneck) and had never been to a football game. A friend wanted to take me to see a college game Downtown, at the Gator Bowl Stadium. I said, I can see the game better on TV and don't like crowds. He said, we go for the food, drink and excitement. Stadium food can't be that good and he said, all of us rednecks go there for the BBQ, the poor downtown blacks sell in front of their houses. You had to park your car, literally miles away sometime to get in and walk a few blocks past people, with homemade barrel grills, selling BBQ chicken and ribs, on paper plates for a couple bucks. He told me, it was the best BBQ you ever ate, better than southern cooking. He was right.
    There are a couple places here where African-Americans have set up a trailer and tented picnic tables that sell BBQ. It is THE best BBQ you can buy, miles ahead of the BBQ restaurant.

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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I can tell you a case, where a similar event actually occurred. Except the caterer didn't turn down the work.

    About 30+ years ago, I lived in Jacksonville, FL (very redneck) and had never been to a football game. A friend wanted to take me to see a college game Downtown, at the Gator Bowl Stadium. I said, I can see the game better on TV and don't like crowds. He said, we go for the food, drink and excitement. Stadium food can't be that good and he said, all of us rednecks go there for the BBQ, the poor downtown blacks sell in front of their houses. You had to park your car, literally miles away sometime to get in and walk a few blocks past people, with homemade barrel grills, selling BBQ chicken and ribs, on paper plates for a couple bucks. He told me, it was the best BBQ you ever ate, better than southern cooking. He was right.

    You all weren't wearing kkk outfits on a way to a rally, do you think that would have made a difference?
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post

    1. Is the owner discriminating against catering "White Power" events?
    Yes.

    2. Is the owner discriminating against white people?
    No.

    3. If there is discrimination, is it discrimination that should be legally allowed?
    (Divert and stall for time...)So did you see that Batista went full heel at the SD taping last night?

    ****, I hate these questions. I think if he was discriminating against white people and not against a political group(ie if he was discriminating against people for what they are, as opposed to what they do), then no. You caught the distinction with your first two questions. On the other hand, it is not an issue I take a strong stance on and I can see both sides. I would also point out the lack of correlation with laws like those under discussion in Arizona. What you describe and those laws are different. Gotta say I am looking forward to reading the rest of the thread and seeing what direction you go with this.
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    A person can always find extremes and then debate "discrimination." For example, where prostitution is legal, could a prostitute not refuse gay sex because that would be gender discrimination? That would make a curious poll question in the sense of reading people doing logic-contortions to explaining how it wouldn't, while also trying to hold onto their anti-discrimination platitude-absolutes.

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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    In reference to the analogy,
    Politics is politics, but food is food,
    and sometimes the Barbeque is THAT GOOD!

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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I seriously doubt that this is actually happening.

    Give us some more details, like: who, where,why, what, and how.
    I am pretty sure it is a hypothetical...


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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    The catering choice kind of defeats the purpose of the rally, right?


    I don't think anyone discriminates by denying services to a known hate/terrorist (even if it's not recognized as such) group.
    The Democratic and Republican Party could be correctly be called hate groups too. Often raging hate.

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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    You all weren't wearing kkk outfits on a way to a rally, do you think that would have made a difference?
    Read your own signature.

    At that moment in time, we were all just southerners who liked good food.
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Read your own signature.

    At that moment in time, we were all just southerners who liked good food.
    Would you invite a Muslim to eat at your house? Would you still do it if they were dressed like this(minus the gun)

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