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  • Is he discriminating against white power rallies?

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  • Is he discriminating against white people?

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  • If there is discrimination, should it be legally allowed?

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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It's discrimination, and yes to number 3. The owner HAPPENS to be discriminating against white people, but not BECAUSE they are white, but for other reasons. There is a fine line. Just like bars and restaurants can refuse service to patrons who are getting rowdy, but they can't refuse service simply due to another's skin color or gender.
    Is holding a political rally "getting rowdy"? What if the caterer were white and they refused to serve at a Jesse Jackson rally?

    I will agree that there is a fine line but the question is - who gets to draw that line?
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    If the reasoning behind the lawsuit against the caterer was legitimate, then yes he his discrimination is not legal.

    Regardless whether he should or should not be able to, it is just a truism that he is "discriminating" against them. The only issue is whether he should be allowed to.

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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I seriously doubt that this is actually happening.

    Give us some more details, like: who, where,why, what, and how.
    Sorry for your misunderstanding; perhaps my post was less clear than I thought it was.

    The scenario I described was a hypothetical for the purposes of a discussion...I'm not claiming it to be a real occurence.

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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    It is not a direct comparison to the lawsuit concerning a gay marriage. A direct comparison would be refusing to provide services to a Stonewall's Club as it is a political organization. If a person can refuse to provide services to a KKK function, a person could refuse services to a gay rights organization's function on the same principle.

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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Is holding a political rally "getting rowdy"? What if the caterer were white and they refused to serve at a Jesse Jackson rally?

    I will agree that there is a fine line but the question is - who gets to draw that line?
    the law and our rights draw the line, if its gray then the courts clear it up

    this is easy did they discriminate on the bases of age, disability, genetic info, national origin/race/color, religion, gender or in some case sexual orientation

    is so its illegal

    if not its not
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    as far as i know he is legally discriminating against white power rallies

    I see nothing that is illegal by laws and rights here
    he has the right to legally discriminate in this case because

    the rally is not illegally about age, disability, origin, race/color, gender, religion or in some cases sexual orientation


    UNLESS the KKK is a recognized religion in his state, county or municipality then there could be an issue.

    would be an interesting case if they took it up but unless the KKK is a recognized religion in his municipality, county or state id see them completely losing
    Really? Can one also legally discriminate against black power rallies, gay power rallies or christian/jewish/muslim power rallies? You seem to assert that any discrimination against members of a "protected group" (race, religion or sexual orientation) is taboo yet since the KKK members are (likely) whites (not a protected group) then it is OK.
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A black man owns a barbeque joint and caters for events regularly; christmas parties, birthdays, weddings, etc.

    A local KKK outfit is having an annual "White Power" Rally and cookout and actually seeks to hire said black man to cater their event.

    The business owner, realizing that the event he'd be catering is a "White Power Rally", doesn't want the groups business and refuses to cater the event.

    A few questions here...

    1. Is the owner discriminating against catering "White Power" events?

    2. Is the owner discriminating against white people?

    3. If there is discrimination, is it discrimination that should be legally allowed?
    N/A across the board. He's choosing not to do business with a group whose ideology he feels is specifically and pointedly hostile to himself.

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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A black man owns a barbeque joint and caters for events regularly; christmas parties, birthdays, weddings, etc.

    A local KKK outfit is having an annual "White Power" Rally and cookout and actually seeks to hire said black man to cater their event.

    The business owner, realizing that the event he'd be catering is a "White Power Rally", doesn't want the groups business and refuses to cater the event.

    A few questions here...

    1. Is the owner discriminating against catering "White Power" events?

    2. Is the owner discriminating against white people?

    3. If there is discrimination, is it discrimination that should be legally allowed?
    Yes, he's discriminating against white power events.

    No, he's not discriminating against white people...just those who are sponsoring the white power event.

    He should ABSOLUTELY be allowed to determine whether he will accept the engagement or not.

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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    1.)Really? Can one also legally discriminate against black power rallies, gay power rallies or christian/jewish/muslim power rallies?
    2.)You seem to assert that any discrimination against members of a "protected group" (race, religion or sexual orientation) is taboo
    3.)yet since the KKK members are (likely) whites (not a protected group) then it is OK.
    1.)again all you have to do is go by the law, its really easy
    2.) not me the law and our rights makes ILLEGAL discrimination taboo
    3.) actually i said in my first post IF the KKK is a recognized religion in that state, county or municipality then there could be an issue but if not then yes its legal discrimination

    if not the KKK is not a age, disability, origin, race/color, gender, religion or in some cases sexual orientation

    4.) also whites are 100% a protected group whites have color race and national origin just like all of us, maybe you didnt mean to say it the way you did
    like i said seems like a very simple concept to me and if it gets grey courts clear it up
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    Re: Is this unreasonable/illegal discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I seriously doubt that this is actually happening.

    Give us some more details, like: who, where,why, what, and how.

    I can tell you a case, where a similar event actually occurred. Except the caterer didn't turn down the work.

    About 30+ years ago, I lived in Jacksonville, FL (very redneck) and had never been to a football game. A friend wanted to take me to see a college game Downtown, at the Gator Bowl Stadium. I said, I can see the game better on TV and don't like crowds. He said, we go for the food, drink and excitement. Stadium food can't be that good and he said, all of us rednecks go there for the BBQ, the poor downtown blacks sell in front of their houses. You had to park your car, literally miles away sometime to get in and walk a few blocks past people, with homemade barrel grills, selling BBQ chicken and ribs, on paper plates for a couple bucks. He told me, it was the best BBQ you ever ate, better than southern cooking. He was right.
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