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    Re: The fall of Rome equals US today?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    You're right, that's giving him too much credit.

    How about *unqualified absolutist* who goes beyond his legal authority.
    Obama rate of issuing executive orders is one of the lowest of any president in a hundred years:



    Its actually quite remarkable there are so few considering the financial crisis and great recession. This whole "imperial presidency" crap is nothing but a right wing fantasy. Moreover, its hypocritical because you guys certainly were not complaining when Bush and Reagan issued all their executive orders and signing statements.
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    Re: The fall of Rome equals US today?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    You're right, that's giving him too much credit.

    How about *unqualified absolutist* who goes beyond his legal authority.
    Leaving aside that the Roman Empire didn't end because of a usurper (though most people do think it ended due to too much Christianity -- there's a parallel you left out), I still want to ask if you really believe Obama is not rightfully your president.

    Regarding your claim that he's an unqualified absolutist -- clearly, he must be qualified in the only way that matters, because your country voted for him.

    Absolutist also seems unlikely, considering he has failed to pass so many pieces of legislation he wanted to pass. Quite the absolutist indeed -- he hasn't even managed to assassinate the bigoted old idiots in the opposition!

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    Re: The fall of Rome equals US today?

    We're doing fine. The problem is, I think we are making some bad comparisons. Compared to Rome, the United States is a very young institution.
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    Re: The fall of Rome equals US today?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Rome fell because its citizens became a culture that felt entitled to oppulance. The people became weak celf centered and spoiled much like the libs in US society.
    Rome's citizenry was as far from liberalism as you can get. The country had a state religion, no regard of civil liberties or individual rights, and out of control defense spending due to the costs of maintaing empire. You act like Rome had this bunch of liberal hippies out protesting the treatment of slaves or how Rome waged war.
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    Re: The fall of Rome equals US today?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The fall of Rome equals US today?

    You hear this a lot. People pointing out the poarallels between the US today and the fall of the Roman empire. Implying, of course, that we are on the downslope of our phase as a country.

    Do you believe this is true? If so, why? If not, why not?
    Here is a piece from Carle C. Zimmerman, a Harvard professor in 1947, who made categorical observations of civilizations before their demise. Interesting.

    http://huron2.aaps.k12.mi.us/smitha/...me-decline.pdf

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    Re: The fall of Rome equals US today?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Decay happens gradually.
    The Eastern Empire went from strength to strength in spite of Rome's collapse. Indeed, their rigid adherence and attempt to interpret their religious framework led them astray from solving actual problems which led to their decay.

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    Re: The fall of Rome equals US today?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Obama rate of issuing executive orders is one of the lowest of any president in a hundred years:



    Its actually quite remarkable there are so few considering the financial crisis and great recession. This whole "imperial presidency" crap is nothing but a right wing fantasy. Moreover, its hypocritical because you guys certainly were not complaining when Bush and Reagan issued all their executive orders and signing statements.
    The Executive branch is meant to *enforce* not change laws. It's not how many it's the legality of the ones he has used.
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    Re: The fall of Rome equals US today?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    The Executive branch is meant to *enforce* not change laws. It's not how many it's the legality of the ones he has used.
    Translation: "Imperial Presidencies are ones that do things by Executive Order and Signing Statements that I don't agree with."
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    Re: The fall of Rome equals US today?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Rome's citizenry was as far from liberalism as you can get. The country had a state religion, no regard of civil liberties or individual rights, and out of control defense spending due to the costs of maintaing empire. You act like Rome had this bunch of liberal hippies out protesting the treatment of slaves or how Rome waged war.
    The thing Rome had in common with modern libs was a sense of entitlement. They rested on the accomplishments of those that came before them..

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    Re: The fall of Rome equals US today?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The fall of Rome equals US today?

    You hear this a lot. People pointing out the poarallels between the US today and the fall of the Roman empire. Implying, of course, that we are on the downslope of our phase as a country.

    Do you believe this is true? If so, why? If not, why not?
    The main reason of the fall of the Roman Empire was more sinister and historians are beginning to realize this. The Roman Empire had a massive population decline of "true Romans" and especially among the powerful elite. This caused massive problems over many many decades and even centuries. The reason was rather simple... lead poisoning.

    Roman water systems were built with lead pipes and there was a belief among the upper classes that lead was good for you. What we know today is it is far from it and causes things like insanity and sterility.

    This eventually lead to a weak Empire and hence its downfall.
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