View Poll Results: The fall of Rome equals US today?

Voters
48. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes, absolutely

    12 25.00%
  • Some similarities, but not really

    21 43.75%
  • No, not at all

    14 29.17%
  • Other (please elaborate)

    1 2.08%
Page 11 of 12 FirstFirst ... 9101112 LastLast
Results 101 to 110 of 118

Thread: The fall of Rome equals US today?

  1. #101
    Sage
    WCH's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    The Lone Star State.
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 04:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    22,183

    Re: The fall of Rome equals US today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    There's nothing to decide, he's not a usurper. His credentials and experiences are irrelevant, he beat the other guys in the election. America voted for him, they wanted him, not your guy. Get over it and stop spewing nonsensical accusations. What bull****.
    The fall of Rome equals US today?-obama-notamuslim01-1-jpg
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

  2. #102
    Black Is Smart
    Van Basten's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    The New New Frontier
    Last Seen
    11-06-17 @ 07:59 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    4,661

    Re: The fall of Rome equals US today?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    The fall of Rome equals US today?-obama-notamuslim01-1-jpg
    Ah, some conservatives are just a ball of fun.
    "We have more responsibility than power, I think. The newspaper can create great controversies, stir up arguments within the community or discussion, can throw light on injustices....just as it can do the opposite. It can hide things and be a great power for evil." -- Rupert Murdoch, 1968

  3. #103
    Sage
    WCH's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    The Lone Star State.
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 04:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    22,183

    Re: The fall of Rome equals US today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Ah, some conservatives are just a ball of fun.
    If you can't laugh at your mistakes, what can you laugh at.

    6 in 10 in this country know he was a mistake.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

  4. #104
    Sage
    OldWorldOrder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Last Seen
    10-12-15 @ 12:13 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    5,820

    Re: The fall of Rome equals US today?

    Not really. It's in decline, but not like the Roman Empire.

    I think that's just a lazy shorthand for people that really don't know history. It's a lot closer to the fall of, say, the Spanish Empire than it is the Roman.
    The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected.
    -GK Chesterton

  5. #105
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Behind the Orange Curtain
    Last Seen
    01-30-15 @ 01:29 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    15,633

    Re: The fall of Rome equals US today?

    If Barack Obama was a few shades lighter he would be a dead ringer of Emperor Commodus.

  6. #106
    Sage
    RiverDad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Seen
    04-20-14 @ 02:16 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    5,039

    Re: The fall of Rome equals US today?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Rome fell because of the military costs of maintaining its empire. Most great empires fall due to out of control defense spending.
    Rome fell due to Barbarian Invasions. We're falling for a similar reason - we're importing massive amounts of Third World people. You can't be a First World society, never mind the Leader of the Free World, if your society is characterized as Third World.

    It's people who make a society. If this wasn't so, then we could either impose or actively promote that all Third World countries adopt the US Constitution and thereby eradicate their Third World status.

  7. #107
    Sage
    RiverDad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Seen
    04-20-14 @ 02:16 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    5,039

    Re: The fall of Rome equals US today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    within a couple of years the interest payments on that debt will replace defense spending as the largest outlay, the number one budget item.
    You need to check your facts. Defense accounts for only 18% of the budget. Take a gander at social welfare transfers if you want to see where the largest outlays are found.

  8. #108
    The Light of Truth
    Northern Light's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:09 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,968

    Re: The fall of Rome equals US today?

    Rome fell because of too many military conquests which diminished resources, combined with adequate rivals on all sides. IIRC it was the Gothic War, specifically, which was the nail in the coffin. Less commonly known is that Rome was divided into East and West, with two different rulers. The Gothic War attempted to unite the two and it caused much resource to be wasted. It had nothing to do with a bloated bourgeoise or entitlements -- those are modern distinctions. Rome did not have social welfare or anything like our social systems today.

    The U.S. is going to diminish in power and have to scale back its empire building, but it's not going to collapse from invasion the way Rome did. It has Canada to the north and Mexico to the south, the most powerful military on the planet (for now), and has many military allies. Do the math, it's not gonna happen.

    There are many parallels to the U.S. and the decline of Rome but it's a tired comparison because too many variables are entirely different. We can compare virtually any ailing nation with ancient Rome because it's the western world's gold standard (and obsession) of civilization decline, but it's usually not that meaningful or especially important of a comparison. Rome was the greatest nation the western world ever knew, which existed from the 8th century BC onward. The U.S. is too young to be that important... it's burning hot and dying young. When people compare the U.S. to ancient Rome, I think they need to deflate their big heads a little bit.
    Last edited by Northern Light; 02-27-14 at 05:51 PM.

  9. #109
    Sage
    Perotista's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:22 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    17,938
    Blog Entries
    25

    Re: The fall of Rome equals US today?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    You need to check your facts. Defense accounts for only 18% of the budget. Take a gander at social welfare transfers if you want to see where the largest outlays are found.
    Okay I see what you mean.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

  10. #110
    Sage
    RiverDad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Seen
    04-20-14 @ 02:16 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    5,039

    Re: The fall of Rome equals US today?

    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedChief View Post
    The only undamaged infrastructure after the war. We got to provide the materials to rebuild after the war.
    Go and check your data. Look at exports as a percent of GDP. If your hypothesis truly reflects reality, then you should expect to find that American exports to the war ravaged nations of the world were monumental, enough to boost and sustain our economy for decades after WWII. Hint: you won't find what you were looking for, but don't take my word for it.

    Plenty of jobs. They in turn spend the money. Created more jobs. We have been living off that kick start since.
    This is closer to the what actually did happen.

    Without a strong middle class we are done as a country. Thats the danger for us. If the income inequality keeps whacking the middle class it will lead to slow decline but an ending that works out well for no one.
    This plus the invasion of the barbarian hordes will spell our doom.

Page 11 of 12 FirstFirst ... 9101112 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •