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  • They are as valid today as they ever were.

    4 17.39%
  • One is still valid; one isn't and I'll explain in my post.

    3 13.04%
  • They need to be dumped in the dustbin of history.

    7 30.43%
  • Never heard of them.

    0 0%
  • We need a new doctrine and I have suggested one.

    6 26.09%
  • Other and I'll explain in my post.

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    The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Given the current proposal to significantly downsize our military to pre WWII levels, it might be wise to consider the following concepts of our history and what we expect our military to do.

    On December 2, 1823, in his seventh State of the Union address to Congress, President James Monroe proclaimed his so-called Monroe Doctrine that European powers would no longer colonize or interfere with the newly independent nations in North and South America and hat we would view such action as hostile. That concept has been supported by every Administration since that time.

    In the 1840's, Jackson Democrats promoted a Manifest Destiny that promoted U.S. annexation of the Oregon Territory, Texas, etc. Many believe this was divinely inspired and most believed it was our righteous right to expand liberty and opportunity. That concept has been supported by most, Democrat and Republican alike, for most of the time since then.

    By the mid Nineteenth Century, the Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny merged to provide precedent and support for U.S. expansion throughout North America, and by the late Nineteenth Century was the justification for U.S. influence outside of North America, initially via Teddy Roosevelt's dealings in Latin America, and subsequently elsewhere.

    These concepts are sometimes pointed to now as precedent and justification for American intervention in various politics and situations around the world whether to protect American interests or for humanitarian reasons. And they would certainly be evoked if anybody should attack Canada or Mexico and many other nations.

    Still others grow weary of the USA being the world's policeman and the world's backup army.

    Basically the topic and the poll questions are focused on the primary question: Do we need a new doctrine and a new destiny?

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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    I personally do no think we do. by the way there is no poll maybe grab a mod?

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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Do we need a new doctrine and a new destiny?
    See signature.

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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    See signature.
    Okay, I see it. How does it relate to the OP?
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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate View Post
    I personally do no think we do. by the way there is no poll maybe grab a mod?
    The poll is there now. (I always wondered if the OP showed up before the poll questions are posted. I guess it does. )

    So okay, why do you support the doctrine as it has historically been applied?
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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    The poll is there now. (I always wondered if the OP showed up before the poll questions are posted. I guess it does. )

    So okay, why do you support the doctrine as it has historically been applied?
    I don't know a HUGE ammount of american history in it's laws....so sorry if I come off as ignorant as far as I am aware the monroe doctrine is a fantastic piece of work but it was never really taken seriously because america was little more then a foot note in the world stage at this point (untill roosevelt came into power I believe thats when america became a rising power) and manifest destiny was a very destructive idealology the fact that this is our destiny to take land that does not belong to us feels wrong, and historically it was tragic. though we did and are still enjoying the benefits of it.

    I guess they are just wrong, and if you want to unite a country I do not think you should do it by samething like manifest destiny.

    this post might be shot down but from my limited knowledge this is how I feel. my opinion may change as this thread goes on

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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    I for one am tired of being the world's policeman. But I'm always torn. Do we just sit back, close our eyes, and pretend a genocide isn't happening when we have the military might to stop it? Isn't it in our national interest to not allow a brutal and self-serving tyrant to tie up a large majority of the world's petroleum supplies? And what good are treaties if they are not honored when our allies get into trouble?

    So I checked the option that we need a new doctrine to clear up the conflicting issues. But I honestly don't know yet how to write one. I am hoping this discussion will help sort out my own personal conflicts so I will know better what to support.
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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Okay, I see it. How does it relate to the OP?
    I believe and live that to be the new doctrine and new destiny.

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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate View Post
    I don't know a HUGE ammount of american history in it's laws....so sorry if I come off as ignorant as far as I am aware the monroe doctrine is a fantastic piece of work but it was never really taken seriously because america was little more then a foot note in the world stage at this point (untill roosevelt came into power I believe thats when america became a rising power) and manifest destiny was a very destructive idealology the fact that this is our destiny to take land that does not belong to us feels wrong, and historically it was tragic. though we did and are still enjoying the benefits of it.

    I guess they are just wrong, and if you want to unite a country I do not think you should do it by samething like manifest destiny.

    this post might be shot down but from my limited knowledge this is how I feel. my opinion may change as this thread goes on
    Well you just made it onto my 'most intelligent posters' list with this post. At least you aren't being driven by mindless ideology or pretending to have all the answers. If I was heading up a task force to develop a new philosophical doctrine for the USA, I would want you on the team.
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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I believe and live that to be the new doctrine and new destiny.
    Could you please elaborate more and explain for those of us with more simple minds who aren't quite seeing that with the limited information in your sig line?
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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