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  • They are as valid today as they ever were.

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  • One is still valid; one isn't and I'll explain in my post.

    3 13.04%
  • They need to be dumped in the dustbin of history.

    7 30.43%
  • Never heard of them.

    0 0%
  • We need a new doctrine and I have suggested one.

    6 26.09%
  • Other and I'll explain in my post.

    3 13.04%
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Thread: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Perhaps. But many other nations don't spend a whopping big amount on their military because they don't have to. They know if they get in trouble, they can count on our military to come to the rescue. And somehow that just doesn't seem the way things should be.
    You are absolutely right in that and I think it is actually being changed at this time.

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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    You are absolutely right in that and I think it is actually being changed at this time.
    Because of the downsizing of the military?
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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Because of the downsizing of the military?
    That is one symptom. Others are the resistance to intervening in problem areas or the increased pressure on allies to face responsibility.

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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That is one symptom. Others are the resistance to intervening in problem areas or the increased pressure on allies to face responsibility.
    Well I haven't seen much resistance to intervention in problem areas given our fairly recent bombing attack on Libya, our continued use of drones in 'enemy' territory etc. Nor have I seen our fearless leaders achieving much success on getting anybody else to hold up their end. But I've seen a lot of double standard applied. We'll bomb Libya because nobody cares about them, but we won't intervene in genocide in Syria because Iran and Russia would be peeved--that kind of thing. Maybe I'm missing something?
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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Well I haven't seen much resistance to intervention in problem areas given our fairly recent bombing attack on Libya, our continued use of drones in 'enemy' territory etc. Nor have I seen our fearless leaders achieving much success on getting anybody else to hold up their end. But I've seen a lot of double standard applied. We'll bomb Libya because nobody cares about them, but we won't intervene in genocide in Syria because Iran and Russia would be peeved--that kind of thing. Maybe I'm missing something?
    Libya and now Mali are the best examples of getting the allies to shoulder responsibility with limited help from the US. And refusing to get caught up in the Syrian embroglio was also a hint.

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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Libya and now Mali are the best examples of getting the allies to shoulder responsibility with limited help from the US. And refusing to get caught up in the Syrian embroglio was also a hint.
    Well I'll consider that. Right now I'm watching to see what happens with the hostilities between Russia and Ukraine. Everything else will take a back seat to that for the immediate time being. Given that Russia will certainly veto any UN involvement in that flap, we would have to act without UN blessings, and Ukraine is not part of NATO. So does anybody here want us to do that? And what does it portend if Putin's motives are to rebuild the USSR?
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