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  • They are as valid today as they ever were.

    4 17.39%
  • One is still valid; one isn't and I'll explain in my post.

    3 13.04%
  • They need to be dumped in the dustbin of history.

    7 30.43%
  • Never heard of them.

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  • We need a new doctrine and I have suggested one.

    6 26.09%
  • Other and I'll explain in my post.

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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Could you please elaborate more and explain for those of us with more simple minds who aren't quite seeing that with the limited information in your sig line?
    I'm not going to explain ecocentrism, ecofeminism, deep ecology and democratic peace theory. At least, not unless I'm getting paid for a 3 credit course.

    I will say that each are founded on valuing diversity.

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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm not going to explain ecocentrism, ecofeminism, deep ecology and democratic peace theory. At least, not unless I'm getting paid for a 3 credit course.

    I will say that each are founded on valuing diversity.
    I didn't ask you to explain the terms. I asked you how they related to the OP. But okay. I will conclude from your response that they don't. But do have a nice day.
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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I didn't ask you to explain the terms. I asked you how they related to the OP. But okay. I will conclude from your response that they don't. But do have a nice day.
    You asked a question. I gave my answer. It was a direct question and a direct answer. I quoted your question, still in bold, with my answer. I have voted "We need a new doctrine and I have suggested one."

    I don't understand how you are confused and lost.

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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You asked a question. I gave my answer. It was a direct question and a direct answer. I quoted your question, still in bold, with my answer. I have voted "We need a new doctrine and I have suggested one."

    I don't understand how you are confused and lost.
    I accept that you don't understand. Do have a nice day.
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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I accept that you don't understand. Do have a nice day.
    Those things are the foundations of my interventionism.

    These concepts are sometimes pointed to now as precedent and justification for American intervention in various politics and situations around the world whether to protect American interests or for humanitarian reasons.
    Those things are the doctrines I would like to see replace the Monroe. Those things are the destiny that I would like to see replace Manifest.


    I have clearly, specifically and repeatedly answered your question. Your inability to see such appears beyond my control.

    Good day.

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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Do we need a new doctrine and a new destiny?
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    Manifest Destiny, as it originally was, is pretty much a done deal at this point unless you want to kick California out of the Union.

    The Monroe Doctrine is dated. It served it's purpose and it was a great policy for its time, but that time has passed. We don't need to worry about European powers sticking in and reasserting their authority over former colonies anymore.

    Any stretches of those may have been logical stretches, but I think they are separate doctrines in and of themselves.


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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Too late, we've already been interfered with by European powers.

    It's name is Socialism.
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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Manifest Destiny, as it originally was, is pretty much a done deal at this point unless you want to kick California out of the Union.

    The Monroe Doctrine is dated. It served it's purpose and it was a great policy for its time, but that time has passed. We don't need to worry about European powers sticking in and reasserting their authority over former colonies anymore.

    Any stretches of those may have been logical stretches, but I think they are separate doctrines in and of themselves.
    Both of course are basic philosophies more than explicit law. The Monroe Doctrine has been extended into modern time--actually pretty much by Teddy Roosevelt's time--to include all nations and not just European powers. It would no doubt be evoked as justification to go to the defense of any of our allies who were attacked by anybody.

    And as for Manifest Destiny, isn't that the justification for our intervention in the Balkan conflicts in the 1990's? For intervening in Somalia? For intervening in Lybia? For intervening in other people's conflicts anywhere? For the nation building that we do? An exercise in futility? Usually. Justifiable? That's what this debate is about.

    But it is a discussion I think we have to have before accepting as a people that downsizing our military to a size that can maybe defend only us is the right thing to do.
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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    The Monroe doctrine is kind of valid. I'm sure many a robber would agree with manifest destiny.

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    Re: The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny: Valid or Moot?

    Manifest Destiny is over with, that was for another time. Same with the Monroe Doctrine, I'd say.

    Both have served their purposes.
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