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How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

We should be raising our daughters

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RiverDad said:
So if we take off the feminist propaganda glasses, Oprah transforms into one of the greatest villains in the last half century due to her taking a wrecking ball to women's lives and filling their heads up with nonsense which has been used to destroy millions of lives.
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Just FYI but her interpretation is not mine.
 
Lursa said:
It does, thank you. And IMO, it is parents and society's faults that women grow up that way. Teach your little girls to seek respect instead.

Just IMO.
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I'm not going to try to turn her into something she's not. Little girls that are raised by loving fathers don't need to desperately seek love from any guy who will show them attention in between ignoring or mistreating them. Girls need respect like men need love, but it's not the primary focus.
 
cpwill said:
I'm not going to try to turn her into something she's not. Little girls that are raised by loving fathers don't need to desperately seek love from any guy who will show them attention in between ignoring or mistreating them. Girls need respect like men need love, but it's not the primary focus.
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Well then we disagree.

Love without respect is....well, not love.
 
Lursa said:
Well then we disagree.

Love without respect is....well, not love.
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You are confusing the lack of primary focus with a lack of presence. You are also incorrect, but that is a different topic.
 
cpwill said:
You are confusing the lack of primary focus with a lack of presence. You are also incorrect, but that is a different topic.
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It was my opinion, yes, about love.

However not about the primary focus. I guess it's my opinion but I believe it is socially/culturally created and a negative. As a matter of fact, I consider it demeaning to women. My dad has 4 daughters...and I know which he focused on....not that he ever verbalized it.
 
Lursa said:
It was my opinion, yes, about love.

However not about the primary focus. I guess it's my opinion but I believe it is socially/culturally created and a negative. As a matter of fact, I consider it demeaning to women. My dad has 4 daughters...and I know which he focused on....not that he ever verbalized it.
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:shrug: now we're back to talking in circles. Yes, all kids need to be taught to respect themselves via learning to respect others, make good choices, and achieve hard work. My point was only however that girls need more love, and boys need more respect compared to their need for the other item. Females are just more relational than men :shrug:.

However, it is possible to love that which you do not respect. I love people even when I do not respect them or what they do.
 
I can only offer my observation of family life, my own and those of people I'm close to. I've experienced and seen variants on this scene:

"Daddy, do you love me?"
"Oh, I do, I love you so much sweetie."

"What I haven't seen is this:

"Daddy, do you respect me?"
"Oh, I do baby, I respect you a lot."

With the boys, the communication between father and son isn't always as clear cut but the scenarios are pretty vivid:

The father is immensely proud of his son. The son picks up on that and his chest puffs up and you just get the sense that he's getting it, he's ego is inflating.

Fathers respect their daughters and love their sons, but what those boys and girls need to hear and what they respond to differ in scale.
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: now we're back to talking in circles. Yes, all kids need to be taught to respect themselves via learning to respect others, make good choices, and achieve hard work. My point was only however that girls need more love, and boys need more respect compared to their need for the other item. Females are just more relational than men :shrug:.

However, it is possible to love that which you do not respect. I love people even when I do not respect them or what they do.
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Absolutely. I love my dogs, I love my sisters. I do not necessarily respect them (esp. one sister).

The love required in an intimate relationship is different. It's not like loving your brother or dog or even your parents. It requires equal status (not the same, equal) and respect. And that respect should in no way diminish the love. Because you are building a life together and possibly raising children to whom you need to pass on these values.
 
RiverDad said:
I can only offer my observation of family life, my own and those of people I'm close to. I've experienced and seen variants on this scene:

"Daddy, do you love me?"
"Oh, I do, I love you so much sweetie."

"What I haven't seen is this:

"Daddy, do you respect me?"
"Oh, I do baby, I respect you a lot."

With the boys, the communication between father and son isn't always as clear cut but the scenarios are pretty vivid:

The father is immensely proud of his son. The son picks up on that and his chest puffs up and you just get the sense that he's getting it, he's ego is inflating.

Fathers respect their daughters and love their sons, but what those boys and girls need to hear and what they respond to differ in scale.
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Ward? Ward Cleaver? Is that you?
 
Grand Mal said:
Ward? Ward Cleaver? Is that you?
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:shrug: He's posting his experiences, and they seem to generally conform to the norm. How many children have you raised of either gender?
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: He's posting his experiences, and they seem to generally conform to the norm. How many children have you raised of either gender?
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1, of either gender, or any gender, or both genders, or gender dismembered, I disremember.
 
Grand Mal said:
If you want me to be. I'm the spirit who's here to guide you into the 21st century.
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I don't need a spirit guide to help in the brainwashing. It took a lot of skull sweat to throw off the propaganda that I ingested from society as I grew up. Believe me, everyone knows the liberal position on all of these issues. It's no mystery because we've all had it shoved down our throats via popular culture for our entire lives.
 
Phys251 said:
All five of your daughters had damn well better sing your praises at your funeral--an event that I hope does not happen for a long time.
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Praises at my funeral? I won't be alive to enjoy that.

Every one of them called me to tell me how things were going in their life this week. And it's only Tuesday. That's good enough for me.
 
RiverDad said:
I don't need a spirit guide to help in the brainwashing. It took a lot of skull sweat to throw off the propaganda that I ingested from society as I grew up. Believe me, everyone knows the liberal position on all of these issues. It's no mystery because we've all had it shoved down our throats via popular culture for our entire lives.
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I don't believe you know the liberal position on much. I think you know the socialist position on this and the feminist position on that and the leftist position on most things and some of the anarchists positions and big-government corporatist conservative positions on almost everything but I don't think you know much about liberalism.
 
I raise my daughter now as a princess, but to be a queen later. By that I mean she needs to understand to be the boss she has to pay the cost. In her teens I will make sure she knows that the majority of boys think with their dicks, and as she becomes college age to be cut throat and unapologetic. All throughout, I want her to know that honesty is the best policy, and when she is older hopefully she will learn on her own when to be honest and when to not.

I want her to know that her daddy is always there for her, but that if she screws up, I will expect a better result from her later on for me helping her out. And she can screw up quite a bit, just as long as I know she is sincerely trying. This whole "Let them be independent strong individuals" is very vague and to me sounds like you just let them do whatever the hell they want. That doesn't work. Focusing them, giving them support, and making sure she knows that she is cut from a different cloth is a better option. She is and always will be my little princess, I just want her to go in the right direction.
 
JohnWOlin said:
This whole "Let them be independent strong individuals" is very vague and to me sounds like you just let them do whatever the hell they want
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I think you're nitpicking and playing a bit of semantics there...however, I think we generally are saying the same thing.

There's a difference between "raising" a daughter "to be" strong and independent, and "letting" them be strong and independent.

Again, I think we're in agreement so .........
 
Dragonfly said:
I think you're nitpicking and playing a bit of semantics there...however, I think we generally are saying the same thing.

There's a difference between "raising" a daughter "to be" strong and independent, and "letting" them be strong and independent.

Again, I think we're in agreement so .........
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I suppose, why can't I just raise her like a princess right?
 
If fate were to bring me together with someone that I later had children with, then I would likely raise my daughter no different than my son. I didn't select this because it is likely misleading to read. Essentially, it would be similar to the way my mother raised me. My mother never forced a belief or gender role on me. I actually owned a Barbie when I was three (although I wanted it just so I could play with some girl at daycare and then destroyed it afterwards). Point being that I was raised to think for myself and just be who I am. That's how I would go about raising daughter and son
 
RiverDad said:
WTH is wrong with looking at 15 year girls? They're a sight prettier than 35 year old women. He's not talking about torturing himself by talking to them.
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I think 35 year old women look better. Kids just don't turn me on, and that's what a 15 year old girl is.... A kid.
 
danarhea said:
I think 35 year old women look better. Kids just don't turn me on, and that's what a 15 year old girl is.... A kid.
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And dana necros a thread.
 
Tigger said:
Pack her a bag, show her the door, take the keys, then remove her from the health insurance and my will. She can go and move in with her Uncle Steven and Aunt Cyndi who both hold doctorates in Genetic Microbiology.
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We should make sure not to instill the madonna/whore dichotomy in them. It helps no one and does tremendous damage.
 
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