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  • like it's the 1700's - dependent and submissive

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  • as princesses

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  • no different than how we raise our sons

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  • to be independent and strong individuals

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Thread: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I think the limits of that were pretty well laid out in the 13th Century, when Chivalry and the concept of Courtly Love came to their height. Maybe other men, but definitely not me. I work in a secure area. If I hold a door for someone, I'm liable to lose my job. I was raised to treat a Lady like a Lady. Unfortunately there are very few Ladies and far too many Feminists in the female gender these days.
    Laughing, yes you claim that, society, laws, and education has come a loooong way since then. (thank GAWD)

    You don't apply the very chivalry you claim to endorse... you would hold the door for your Lord- deferment was done within the sexes as well.

    I'll wager a shiny nickle there is more than one door at your work.

    Yeah there are very few women who want to give up property, the vote, a career, hell pants suits- to have the door held for them...

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Generally, boys need to be raised to know that they are and should be someone worthy of respect, where girls need to be raised to know that they are and should be someone worthy of love.
    Girls are not worthy of respect?
    Boys are not worthy of love?

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    The OP's kind of dishonest, isn't it? The question being asked is so blatantly leading as to render discussion effectively pointless.

    Who here (besides Tigger, of course) would actually support raising their daughters to be "weak and defenseless?"
    Dishonest??? How?

    When I read threads like this one, or those posted by people who show outright hatred towards entire groups of people like "liberals" ..... I do have to honestly question how some people act and think.


    I can just about guarantee there's more people here that think like Tigger, they just don't have the balls to step up and admit it.
    That's one point you always have to give Tigger.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Girls are not worthy of respect?
    Boys are not worthy of love?
    Both certainly are, and both certainly need each. But there is a matter of focus, a matter of greatest need, of greatest means by which one self-defines. Each need love, each need respect, but men (generally) need respect like women (generally) need love, and visa-versa.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Dishonest??? How?

    When I read threads like this one, or those posted by people who show outright hatred towards entire groups of people like "liberals" ..... I do have to honestly question how some people act and think.


    I can just about guarantee there's more people here that think like Tigger, they just don't have the balls to step up and admit it.
    That's one point you always have to give Tigger.
    I think we've been pretty clear (with Tigger being an exception) here that liberals aren't evil - simply misguided, and often so with good intent.

    It's hippies that aren't really people.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    To be confident enough to practice working on their picker by merely claiming to want to be girl friends and help us work on our abs, every once in a while.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Who here (besides Tigger, of course) would actually support raising their daughters to be "weak and defenseless?"
    Exactly! I think the op was rather disingenuous, and a knee-jerk reaction to some of us who don't necessarily buy into the notion that American women are the perfect model around the world.
    There are plenty of decent American women around, but our entire culture is based on a rather self-centered pov these days, and this gets extended into our personal relationships, with women thinking that being strong means they don't need anyone else.
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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    How should we be raising our daughters these days?

    Should we try to instill independence, strength, common sense, confidence, perseverance, self worth, and a strong desire to achieve great things?

    Or should we raise them to be dependent, submissive, shy, and always in need of protection? Wallflowers?

    Should we push them towards greatness?

    Or should we teach them that their place is always in the background?

    Should we have a desire for them to be the leader, the captain, the driver?

    Or should we teach them to accept always being the passenger, along for the ride but never making the decisions or steering the boat?

    Should we raise our daughters as achievers? CEO's? Entrepreneurs? Bosses?

    Or should we raise them to be followers?

    Should we tell our daughters they can be ANYTHING they wish to be? Whether it be a mother of 5 kids, or the scientist that cures cancer while stationed on Mars after having piloted the first mission to Mars?

    Or should we tell our daughters their place is to be a good, quiet, and submissive "second" to their spouse?

    Should we raise your daughters to be strong?
    Or are they to be weak and defenseless?

    How do you think our daughters should be raised today?
    I have two kids. A son and a daughter. It's funny how opposite of gender stereotypes they are in lots of ways. My son is a creative, sensitive young man. He is athletic ( played football up through high school ) and now plays in a band and writes music. He is a mix of what many would consider classically male and female qualities. My daughter is very independent and tough, very academic, driven, not particularly creative and about the least athletic human being I have ever seen.

    Point is, I ignored gender roles when raising them. Let their strengths rise to the surface and encouraged them to attempt everything that caught their interest. Gender roles are straight jackets. I suggest we help them discover whatever unique combination of qualities they have, take pride in what they uncover and help them learn not to be afraid of failure. (so long is she isn't an ax murderer under all those pink bows)
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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    There are plenty of decent American women around, but our entire culture is based on a rather self-centered pov these days, and this gets extended into our personal relationships, with women thinking that being strong means they don't need anyone else.
    When you say "entire culture" then why single out women as being the ones with issues?

    Also - why should anyone be taught that they "need" someone else?

    This "you complete me" bs is crazy. Why not we compliment each other?

    To be successful does a woman need a man? Does a man need a woman?

    Are you defined by your "significant other"?

    Individuality and independence are great for guys, but not so great for girls?

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    well according to some, we dont raise them to get married to american men ...

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