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  • like it's the 1700's - dependent and submissive

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  • no different than how we raise our sons

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Thread: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post

    We have very different views on what we expect or don't expect from a diety. I know my father wasted 54 years (to the day) on that garbage and I don't intend to make the same mistake.
    My "deity" gave me the belief in love and free will. And as such, I use it to bring good to myself and to others. Not always successful, not always even trying, sometimes failing completely. Not remotely a waste tho and I know my Lord will look at my life in its entirety, not just isolated instances, and judge me as such. Because I know He Loves me...I know He wants me to be happy. Pretty simple...that has always clearly been the message of the New Testament (which you feel does not fit your 'purposes.')
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    We have very different views on what we expect or don't expect from a diety. I know my father wasted 54 years (to the day) on that garbage and I don't intend to make the same mistake.
    If you dont feel that you have to answer to anyone in the hereafter...why the Hell wouldnt you live life to the fullest on Earth? Enjoying and making the most of it? That means a million different things to a million different people...for some it means bringing happiness or security or help to others, to some it means doing that for themselves. For many, it means both.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Konig View Post
    Yes, I'm saying precisely that, and I think it's a well-documented biological fact.
    I believe we are here in the US but I believe it is socially/culturally developed, not biological. Looking at women in places like China, where women were not respected or catered to...very different. (Just read The Good Earth). Same in other non-industrialized countries....indulging women only happens in places where finances and resources enable the ability to display emotions (and the positive reinforcement it generally brings.)

    Women are incredibly strong, emotionally. They can control those emotions just as well as men....but if they dont have to, they dont bother. There is no/less social stigma for them than men to do so.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    All kinds of people do that. You have to get a kick out of it. It is also perdictable that women would support a bigger government and more wealth redistribution since they are more collectivist minded. These days women are trying to act all individualist, but very few of them hold up to it. I'm not blasting them for it or anything since it's really just in their nature.
    Social norms are a form of collectivism; forms you have no problem upholding, despite your apprehensions. Your inner authoritarian is to be found in the social values you want upheld. Contradiction is what humans are. It's just that some are more aware of the ironies than others.
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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    How do you think our daughters should be raised today?
    A lot of what you're citing aren't 'instilled values of self' - a lot of this is personality driven traits.

    1) Values you try to instill in your children: independence, strength, common sense, confidence, perseverance, self worth, and a strong desire to achieve great things.

    2) Personality traits and other values to be embraced or decided by each individual according to how they feel about their self, what they want in life, and what they want for their self in their relationship:
    Dependence, submissiveness, shyness, needing of protection, wallflower, greatness. Being the leader, the captain, the driver. Being the achiever, CEO's, Entrepreneur, Boss. Follower.


    Should we tell our daughters they can be ANYTHING they wish to be? Whether it be a mother of 5 kids, or the scientist that cures cancer while stationed on Mars after having piloted the first mission to Mars?

    Or should we tell our daughters their place is to be a good, quiet, and submissive "second" to their spouse?
    Yes - They can be anything they wish to be, even if they decide that they are more comfortable being submissive and second to their spouse.

    And this message has been lost. We're at a point where those who are shy, subservient, and submissive - even if they're not and just come across that way in the eyes of certain people - are treated like 2nd rate crap by women who don't approve.

    Instead, we're sending the very wrong message that: it is not okay to be yourself if you are of these 'negative' traits.

    People claim that we've gone away from defining women and what they can do but that's not true. We still do it all the time, it's just polar opposite of how it used to be in the past. Why can't people just piss off? Leave them alone and let them be whatever they want to be?
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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    I want my daughter to: Be happy, make her own choices, and never feel pressured by society or her family to do what she does not want to do. I don't ever want her to hate herself like I did. I don't want her to be conflicted like I was. I just want her to be a million shades of awesome: confident and content. I don't want her to make decisions to please other people and only live to regret it like I did.

    Who should matter to her: herself and her spouse if she chooses to marry.
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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Why do some people feel the need to dominate themselves over women? Is it just a power thing? Like they realize in the back of their mind that they aren't actually worthy of respect, perhaps they are failures at life, and therefore feel the need to invent some narrative as to why people, namely women, owe them respect for no other reason than the swinging dick between their legs?
    There's more to being a man (or a domineering man) than just having a dick, for one thing. I'm not defined by my vagina.

    This behavior (in bold) can be ascribed to domineering women and how they view femininity and treat women who don't 'reach for the stars and stomp loudly'

    Yes: why is it that some people want to be superior to others (Do you really have to ask?) Answer = It's satisfying.

    If that's your personality slot/goal/fix/strength then it's satisfying to see to it and be yourself. Yes? So - in the same way - for some people it's satisfying to be shy, submissive, and subservient. It's all the same.

    What stumps me, now, is why people on the outside who don't identify with either (or who identify with just one or the other) judge those who are different.
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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Konig View Post
    We should instil in our daughters a proper set of values, not those of 21st century decadence. They should be raised to be polite, respectful, and of course inquisitive.
    In other words, to be dependent and submissive, just like it was in the 18th and 19th centuries. Got it.

    Thankfully, that's NOT the way my parents raised me, and I'm so glad they didn't.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Probably the opposite. Culture is now so drenched in "girl power" that family should be a countervailing force for the promotion of boys.
    Riiiiiiiiiiiiight, because "girl power" is such a terrible thing, isn't it.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    If you dont feel that you have to answer to anyone in the hereafter...why the Hell wouldnt you live life to the fullest on Earth? Enjoying and making the most of it? That means a million different things to a million different people...for some it means bringing happiness or security or help to others, to some it means doing that for themselves. For many, it means both.
    I definitely believe we must answer at the end of our lives. Just not to a deity such as yours. Instead it is to a deity which has no interest in Love or Hate but rather Obedience and Order.

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