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Thread: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Single income families are a relic of the past. Very few jobs pay adequately enough for such a "luxury".
    Interesting. Especially since my fiance and I live quite pleasantly on my roughly $65,000 a year salary less than 15 miles outside the second largest city in New England. I don't have a Master's or PhD to my name. I have an Associate's Degree from what may as well have been a trade school. It's possible to do, so long as you are willing to be practical and intelligent about how you do things.

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    That's to say nothing of women who actually have dreams, goals, and ambitions to have a professional career.
    Life isn't about what we WANT to do, Dragonfly. It never has been in the course of human history.

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    While some ladies might chose to stay home during child rearing years, the vast majority I'd assume would prefer to do something constructive, productive, creative, and meaningful outside of the home.
    Why is it that they can't do something constructive, productive, creative and meaningful INSIDE the home. For examply, my fiance makes a little money on the side baking specialty cupcakes and cakes for friends and family birthday parties and other events. We're not getting rich off it; hell we're barely breaking even on it, but it gives her something constructive to do a couple days a week.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Life isn't about what we WANT to do
    That's precisely where our philosophies on life are so opposite it's beyond funny.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Why is it that they can't do something constructive, productive, creative and meaningful INSIDE the home.
    Nobody is saying they/she can't or shouldn't. Assuming that's what they want and chose to do.

    You're the one saying your fiance SHOULDN'T and CAN'T be a nurse, teacher, engineer, carpenter, plumber, pilot, insurance agent, auto mechanic, police officer, .......

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    That's precisely where our philosophies on life are so opposite it's beyond funny.
    Yes, that is a place where our philosophies diverge dramatically. You seem to prefer the idea of standing before your Maker at the end of your life and sing.... "I DID IT MYYYYYYY WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY!" whereas I prefer to be able to stand there and say "I did it the Right Way." At least in my mind, the response of our Maker to those two concepts will be very different.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Nobody is saying they/she can't or shouldn't. Assuming that's what they want and chose to do.

    You're the one saying your fiance SHOULDN'T and CAN'T be a nurse, teacher, engineer, carpenter, plumber, pilot, insurance agent, auto mechanic, police officer, .......
    No, what I'm saying is that the Shouldn't be any of those things and that if she were to choose to be one of them, that it would mean losing me permanently. People have the Right to choose to do almost anything they want. I disagree with that Right, but as of this time it does still exist. However, they do not have the Right to force me to interact with them on a professional or personal level IF they choose to exercise the Right to determinetheir own career path.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Interesting. Especially since my fiance and I live quite pleasantly on my roughly $65,000 a year salary less than 15 miles outside the second largest city in New England. I don't have a Master's or PhD to my name. I have an Associate's Degree from what may as well have been a trade school. It's possible to do, so long as you are willing to be practical and intelligent about how you do things.
    She said 'families' so to me, that means kids. And even one kid makes a huge difference in terms of finances....for most people anyway. Not sure what it would entail in your world.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    She said 'families' so to me, that means kids. And even one kid makes a huge difference in terms of finances....for most people anyway. Not sure what it would entail in your world.
    Our current living situation would allow for a child to be added without having to move. We would have to make some sacrifices in terms of entertainment budget and a couple of other things, but all in all we should be able to absorb the one child that we've discussed having without too much trouble. Especially since there would be no need to pay for daycare since she'd be at home all the time. Hell, my parents raised three of us kids on my father's salary which was just about what I make now.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post

    Why is it that they can't do something constructive, productive, creative and meaningful INSIDE the home. For examply, my fiance makes a little money on the side baking specialty cupcakes and cakes for friends and family birthday parties and other events. We're not getting rich off it; hell we're barely breaking even on it, but it gives her something constructive to do a couple days a week.
    It seems you would refuse a wife or daughter the opportunities to follow their passions, esp. if they occurred outside the home. For example riding horses or gymnastics or singing.

    Very sad. As you said.....no happiness in this world.

    Sounds very fundie Muslim to me, much like the cloistering of Saudi women.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Yes, that is a place where our philosophies diverge dramatically. You seem to prefer the idea of standing before your Maker at the end of your life and sing.... "I DID IT MYYYYYYY WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY!" whereas I prefer to be able to stand there and say "I did it the Right Way." At least in my mind, the response of our Maker to those two concepts will be very different.
    Our Lord never ever even implied that we should not be happy. His Messages are all about love and tolerance...New Testament.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It seems you would refuse a wife or daughter the opportunities to follow their passions, esp. if they occurred outside the home. For example riding horses or gymnastics or singing.
    That would depend on whether they intended to pursue it as a hobby or as a career. If it's a career, it's a non-starter.

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    Very sad. As you said.....no happiness in this world.
    Happiness is not the point of life, which is actually pretty good because it's a fleeting concept, so often just beyond one's grasp.

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    Sounds very fundie Muslim to me, much like the cloistering of Saudi women.
    Yes, it is very Fundamentalist; though neither Muslem, Christian, or any other organized religion. It's based on the most basic ideals and philosophies of human life, going back to the beginning of time.

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