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  • no different than how we raise our sons

    17 17.17%
  • to be independent and strong individuals

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Thread: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Maybe for you. It's interesting that you think your own experience, that while not exclusive to you, applies to everyone.
    It's pretty obvious why love doesn't exist for Tigger. If he treated women differently, they might, in turn, treat him differently.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    -- no truly self-respecting Man would accept you as a woman --
    I would suggest a truly self respecting man doesn't need to feel a sense of power over the woman in his life.

    I think the term "self-respecting" is something you still have to learn about.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    It's pretty obvious why love doesn't exist for Tigger. If he treated women differently, they might, in turn, treat him differently. You get what you give.
    Love didn't exist for me long before "romantic love" was a potential option, Superfly. People are instinctively and innately self-centered creatures. It's what human beings are. We look out for what is in our own best interests. That's not only normal, but it makes perfect sense. Anything that places us in a position of vulnerability to others is not a natural or logical concept.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I would suggest a truly self respecting man doesn't need to feel a sense of power over the woman in his life. I think the term "self-respecting" is something you still have to learn about.
    I would suggest that any Man who allows his own best interests to be subverted by an emotional attachment to ANYONE, but especially a woman is an idiot on multiple levels. Self-respect comes from knowing what one should do, and doing it. Any man who can allow himself to be over-ruled by someone who should be looking to him to make the decisions has no reason to respect himself or expect any Man to respect him.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    .....snip....


    I would suggest that any Man who allows his own best interests to be subverted by an emotional attachment to ANYONE, but especially a woman is an idiot on multiple levels. Self-respect comes from knowing what one should do, and doing it. Any man who can allow himself to be over-ruled by someone who should be looking to him to make the decisions has no reason to respect himself or expect any Man to respect him.
    I am quite happy to be counted amongst the majority of men who you see as "Idiots on multiple levels", and pity you the lonely and angry life you have decided upon. I am seldom "Over-ruled" but often reach compromise with the woman who has given me her life, as I have given mine to her.

    I would recommend you re-evaluate your quest for respect from other men....because this current choice is failing terribly.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    I would recommend you re-evaluate your quest for respect from other men....because this current choice is failing terribly.
    I do not seek Respect, Love, or anything else from anyone, tecoyah. I gave up on worrying how or what anyone felt about me a long time ago.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Love didn't exist for me long before "romantic love" was a potential option, Superfly. People are instinctively and innately self-centered creatures. It's what human beings are. We look out for what is in our own best interests. That's not only normal, but it makes perfect sense. Anything that places us in a position of vulnerability to others is not a natural or logical concept.
    I couldn't disagree with you more, and like I've told you before, I hope you never reproduce. True love is nothing if not vulnerable. To be able to truly be in love with somebody, you have to offer yourself up and hope that you are making the right decision. And being a parent, at least being a good one, there's no such thing any longer as doing what's in your best interest. Everything now falls to the child - you do everything - everything for that child. Your entire life has shifted from "me, me, me" to "her, her, her." You truly cannot be a selfish person, and be a good parent, or be a good spouse.
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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I do not seek Respect, Love, or anything else from anyone, tecoyah. I gave up on worrying how or what anyone felt about me a long time ago.
    Then why put your girl through this? She deserves the right to be able to find love and as long as she's with you, she'll never get it. She'll just be subjected to a life of indentured servitude with a misogynist who beats her into submission.
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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I couldn't disagree with you more, and like I've told you before, I hope you never reproduce. True love is nothing if not vulnerable. To be able to truly be in love with somebody, you have to offer yourself up and hope that you are making the right decision. And being a parent, at least being a good one, there's no such thing any longer as doing what's in your best interest. Everything now falls to the child - you do everything - everything for that child. Your entire life has shifted from "me, me, me" to "her, her, her." You truly cannot be a selfish person, and be a good parent, or be a good spouse.
    Been down that 'vulnerable' road before and I'm not going back there, EVER. As for becoming a parent... that's in hands much more powerful than mine.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Then why put your girl through this? She deserves the right to be able to find love and as long as she's with you, she'll never get it. She'll just be subjected to a life of indentured servitude with a misogynist who beats her into submission.
    She knows who and what I am. She knew it from the beginning. She has CHOSEN to stay with me. I don't lock her up when I leave for work on a daily basis. She is free to leave any time she wishes. Did you ever think that maybe there are some women out there who WANT that sort of relationship?

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I do not seek Respect, Love, or anything else from anyone, tecoyah. I gave up on worrying how or what anyone felt about me a long time ago.
    The key phrase that saddens me is "I gave up." I'm very sorry, Tigger. Again, I appreciate your being frank. You aren't the only one who's "given up" or become cynical or rigid; you're just one of the few willing to acknowledge it.

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