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    3 3.03%
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  • no different than how we raise our sons

    17 17.17%
  • to be independent and strong individuals

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    How about raising kids who can think for themselves? I'm pretty sure they'll find their own way, given the instruction to question everything and make some headway into realising their godlike potential. Privately tutored if its within your financial means. School is a machine for the wholesale manafacture of obedient automatons who question nothing, but possess the basic skills to follow verbal and written commands, with a sprinkle of the requisite numeracy. **** school. I'd never subject any children of mine to the iniquities of any national curriculum.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    It is not BS.

    It's absolutely ridiculous and the height of arrogance for people who don't even have kids to start giving advice about parenting. Not only that, it's annoying.

    In the first post you can tell that the OP doesn't have any kids because of the dumb questions.
    You seem to be more understanding than cpwill, so I'll say this to you and wager the highly remote chance that he'll listen...

    Parenting may well be the single most challenging job in the world. Period. By nearly every standard in existence, we are one of the worst industrialized nations on the planet for supporting parents. Just look at how much better other nations do with paid maternal/paternal leave, social support for parents of young children, and the like. We've fallen into this "we can pull ourselves up by the bootstraps" trap, even when many parents have razor thin bootstraps.

    Combine that with the fact that we believe that parents should be absolute and unquestioned authority of their children, and you have a recipe for disaster. It is only because of the love and devotion of the vast majority of parents that things haven't completely gone to hell.
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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Just look at how much better other nations do with paid maternal/paternal leave, social support for parents of young children, and the like.
    If you'd like to see Finnish social welfare policies implemented in the US you'd better come up with a plan to implement a massive scale of ethnic cleansing in order to fill our population with Finns. Then your social welfare policy replication effort will work just dandy.

    If we take a 100 families where the cost of raising a child is $200 per month and we tax them $250 per month and then redistribute that tax as a $200 per month family stipend to each family, then we have a generous family support program.

    Now let's see how that would work in the US. Take the same number of families and the same cost per month, but now charge 60 families $400 per month and then redistribute that tax as a $200 per month family stipend to all 100 families, and you get a lot of resistance from the higher income families who see no benefit to themselves from having to pay $400 per month in order to get a $200 per month benefit.

    We have a huge underclass that would drag down the middle class which more homogeneous societies, both in terms of race/ethnicity and socioeconomics, don't have to contend with.

    Multiculturalism is like an acid to civil society and sharing. It erodes those values because it is similarity which binds people together, not differences.

    Combine that with the fact that we believe that parents should be absolute and unquestioned authority of their children, and you have a recipe for disaster.
    Let's try an experiment. Pretend that you're a parent. With me so far? Now, in your imagination conjure up the most radical religious fundamentalist you can imagine, now layer on top all sorts of philosophies that you despise. Have you done that? OK, now this person is what the government represents and their influence over your child is going to match your own because that's what you're calling for - government sharing with parents the role of bringing up a child. You see, I know that you're a government loving socialist and that you see nothing wrong with forcing your ideology onto other people, especially when it comes to how they should raise their children, but there are plenty of parents who look upon your philosophy as poison and they are going to feel as negatively about your intrusion and your corrosive influence as you would about some over-the-top caricature of a Christian Fundamentalist co-parenting your child.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Good. I never liked the idea of talking to children like they are little idiots. I think it is counter productive.
    i am quite confident in my ability to raise children

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Heh. The worst advice I ever got was from people who were parents themselves. Good thing I was smart enough to not listen to their tripe seeing as how bad their own kids turned out compared to mine .

    Being a parent is not a guarantee that you know what you're doing. Look at their kids first. They're generally the best clue as to whether or not the parents are worth a damn.
    That's true, and what jumps out at me is that no two children are exactly alike...even twins. In my case, our two boys have had their moments, but I know people who have had much more serious issues to deal with: ADHD kids and children with serious developmental disabilities, kids who started out normal and average, but started turning antisocial and getting in serious trouble in their teens, even if they tried their best to raise perfect children. On the other hand, those of us who have had a relatively easy time raising their children, can be all full of great advice, and have no idea how lucky they have been, and how unlucky some other parents have it!
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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Commie View Post
    That's true, and what jumps out at me is that no two children are exactly alike...even twins. In my case, our two boys have had their moments, but I know people who have had much more serious issues to deal with: ADHD kids and children with serious developmental disabilities, kids who started out normal and average, but started turning antisocial and getting in serious trouble in their teens, even if they tried their best to raise perfect children. On the other hand, those of us who have had a relatively easy time raising their children, can be all full of great advice, and have no idea how lucky they have been, and how unlucky some other parents have it!
    Pretty much.

    Which is why I would never presume to give parenting advice to anybody unless I know them and their children quite well. And even then, never unsolicited.
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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Are you suggesting that men/boys and women/girls are no different than each other? If so, then I think maybe you need to go back and take biology class again. I won't even get into the emotional/psychological/mental differences if you can't deal with the physical ones.
    That isn't what "raising them the same way" means...
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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Good. I never liked the idea of talking to children like they are little idiots. I think it is counter productive.
    Yeah... but lots of kids are idiots. If you talk to them in an educated manner you will need a dictionary, a white board and some time explaining what words mean and even then they will not understand or they will quickly forget.
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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Yeah... but lots of kids are idiots. If you talk to them in an educated manner you will need a dictionary, a white board and some time explaining what words mean and even then they will not understand or they will quickly forget.
    Being a member of that generation I can attest that even that would be insufficient for the majority...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    Being a member of that generation I can attest that even that would be insufficient for the majority...
    I teach high school. There are some great minds out there. Then you get into the middle range students and you shake your head. Don't even bother with the lower end kids because they have zero chance of learning anything other than how to stock shelves or repave the road.
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