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How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

We should be raising our daughters


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Go make me a sandwich.

With or without broken pieces of glass in it?

This sounds like you're saying that you're a chick.

Saying that one is an athlete and a scholar is like saying one is a chick? Okee Dokee...


Here you tell us that you're a dude. Knowing that you're a dude completely undermines the argument about women jocks that you made above. And terrific for you that you're a good looking dude.

No idea what any of this means...
 
Not boys... daughters are disadvantaged.

Oh, right.....it's those pesky human (errr...female) emotions that complicate our fragile lives. Where would we be if it weren't for the steady handed guidance of men to protect us from ourselves. We are after-all, perpetually children aren't we...just a puppet to our moods and impulses.
 
Oh, right.....it's those pesky human (errr...female) emotions that complicate our fragile lives. Where would we be if it weren't for the steady handed guidance of men to protect us from ourselves. We are after-all, perpetually children aren't we...just a puppet to our moods and impulses.

I hope it was obvious that I was being sarcastic... I have daughters and think no such thing.
 
Yeah, I'm sure you do. It must be so hard for you, knowing women can and DO work in offices, even be the BOSSES in some of those offices. Too bad.

Even though you prefer that women be nothing more than slaves in the home, catering to a man's every stupid whim, you'll just have to deal with the fact that women AREN'T stuck in such a miserable existence for the rest of their lives. At least not in the United States, unless a woman has the worst luck in the world to end up married to a guy who is stuck in the 12th century or earlier where women are concerned. Thank goodness that will NEVER be me.

Makes you wonder if any woman would ever marry Tigger, doesn't it?
 
Saying that one is an athlete and a scholar is like saying one is a chick? Okee Dokee...

That's my mistake. You didn't quote what you were responding to and I now see that it was the particular charge of women should not be attracted to jocks. I thought it was a response to how women should be raised. Never mind.
 
It's important to raise our daughters independent and strong but more importantly to raise our boys to not think just because he is a boy gives him special place.
 
I hope it was obvious that I was being sarcastic... I have daughters and think no such thing.

I know. I was playing along. Should have thrown in a wink I guess.
 
It's important to raise our daughters independent and strong but more importantly to raise our boys to not think just because he is a boy gives him special place.

Probably the opposite. Culture is now so drenched in "girl power" that family should be a countervailing force for the promotion of boys.
 
Happiness is not the point of life, which is actually pretty good because it's a fleeting concept, so often just beyond one's grasp.

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Happiness never has been, nor is currently, been beyond my grasp. My parents experienced in abundance...highs and lows in life, in almost 60 yrs of marriage...that is pretty normal. But great happiness for sure. As for myself, the same.

I'm not sure if you believe your interpretation applies to the general population or just yourself, so please be aware....it's most certainly much more widespread than you believe.
 
We have very different views on what we expect or don't expect from a diety. I know my father wasted 54 years (to the day) on that garbage and I don't intend to make the same mistake.

My "deity" gave me the belief in love and free will. And as such, I use it to bring good to myself and to others. Not always successful, not always even trying, sometimes failing completely. Not remotely a waste tho and I know my Lord will look at my life in its entirety, not just isolated instances, and judge me as such. Because I know He Loves me...I know He wants me to be happy. Pretty simple...that has always clearly been the message of the New Testament (which you feel does not fit your 'purposes.')
 
We have very different views on what we expect or don't expect from a diety. I know my father wasted 54 years (to the day) on that garbage and I don't intend to make the same mistake.

If you dont feel that you have to answer to anyone in the hereafter...why the Hell wouldnt you live life to the fullest on Earth? Enjoying and making the most of it? That means a million different things to a million different people...for some it means bringing happiness or security or help to others, to some it means doing that for themselves. For many, it means both.
 
Yes, I'm saying precisely that, and I think it's a well-documented biological fact.

I believe we are here in the US but I believe it is socially/culturally developed, not biological. Looking at women in places like China, where women were not respected or catered to...very different. (Just read The Good Earth). Same in other non-industrialized countries....indulging women only happens in places where finances and resources enable the ability to display emotions (and the positive reinforcement it generally brings.)

Women are incredibly strong, emotionally. They can control those emotions just as well as men....but if they dont have to, they dont bother. There is no/less social stigma for them than men to do so.
 
All kinds of people do that. You have to get a kick out of it. It is also perdictable that women would support a bigger government and more wealth redistribution since they are more collectivist minded. These days women are trying to act all individualist, but very few of them hold up to it. I'm not blasting them for it or anything since it's really just in their nature.

Social norms are a form of collectivism; forms you have no problem upholding, despite your apprehensions. Your inner authoritarian is to be found in the social values you want upheld. Contradiction is what humans are. It's just that some are more aware of the ironies than others.
 
How do you think our daughters should be raised today?

A lot of what you're citing aren't 'instilled values of self' - a lot of this is personality driven traits.

1) Values you try to instill in your children: independence, strength, common sense, confidence, perseverance, self worth, and a strong desire to achieve great things.

2) Personality traits and other values to be embraced or decided by each individual according to how they feel about their self, what they want in life, and what they want for their self in their relationship:
Dependence, submissiveness, shyness, needing of protection, wallflower, greatness. Being the leader, the captain, the driver. Being the achiever, CEO's, Entrepreneur, Boss. Follower.


Should we tell our daughters they can be ANYTHING they wish to be? Whether it be a mother of 5 kids, or the scientist that cures cancer while stationed on Mars after having piloted the first mission to Mars?

Or should we tell our daughters their place is to be a good, quiet, and submissive "second" to their spouse?

Yes - They can be anything they wish to be, even if they decide that they are more comfortable being submissive and second to their spouse.

And this message has been lost. We're at a point where those who are shy, subservient, and submissive - even if they're not and just come across that way in the eyes of certain people - are treated like 2nd rate crap by women who don't approve.

Instead, we're sending the very wrong message that: it is not okay to be yourself if you are of these 'negative' traits.

People claim that we've gone away from defining women and what they can do but that's not true. We still do it all the time, it's just polar opposite of how it used to be in the past. Why can't people just piss off? Leave them alone and let them be whatever they want to be?
 
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I want my daughter to: Be happy, make her own choices, and never feel pressured by society or her family to do what she does not want to do. I don't ever want her to hate herself like I did. I don't want her to be conflicted like I was. I just want her to be a million shades of awesome: confident and content. I don't want her to make decisions to please other people and only live to regret it like I did.

Who should matter to her: herself and her spouse if she chooses to marry.
 
Why do some people feel the need to dominate themselves over women? Is it just a power thing? Like they realize in the back of their mind that they aren't actually worthy of respect, perhaps they are failures at life, and therefore feel the need to invent some narrative as to why people, namely women, owe them respect for no other reason than the swinging dick between their legs?

There's more to being a man (or a domineering man) than just having a dick, for one thing. I'm not defined by my vagina.

This behavior (in bold) can be ascribed to domineering women and how they view femininity and treat women who don't 'reach for the stars and stomp loudly'

Yes: why is it that some people want to be superior to others (Do you really have to ask?) Answer = It's satisfying.

If that's your personality slot/goal/fix/strength then it's satisfying to see to it and be yourself. Yes? So - in the same way - for some people it's satisfying to be shy, submissive, and subservient. It's all the same.

What stumps me, now, is why people on the outside who don't identify with either (or who identify with just one or the other) judge those who are different.
 
We should instil in our daughters a proper set of values, not those of 21st century decadence. They should be raised to be polite, respectful, and of course inquisitive.

In other words, to be dependent and submissive, just like it was in the 18th and 19th centuries. Got it. :roll:

Thankfully, that's NOT the way my parents raised me, and I'm so glad they didn't.
 
Probably the opposite. Culture is now so drenched in "girl power" that family should be a countervailing force for the promotion of boys.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight, because "girl power" is such a terrible thing, isn't it. :roll:
 
If you dont feel that you have to answer to anyone in the hereafter...why the Hell wouldnt you live life to the fullest on Earth? Enjoying and making the most of it? That means a million different things to a million different people...for some it means bringing happiness or security or help to others, to some it means doing that for themselves. For many, it means both.

I definitely believe we must answer at the end of our lives. Just not to a deity such as yours. Instead it is to a deity which has no interest in Love or Hate but rather Obedience and Order.
 
Yes, that is a place where our philosophies diverge dramatically. You seem to prefer the idea of standing before your Maker at the end of your life and sing.... "I DID IT MYYYYYYY WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY!" whereas I prefer to be able to stand there and say "I did it the Right Way." At least in my mind, the response of our Maker to those two concepts will be very different.

That's my guess too. But you've omitted one option: "I tried to do it Your way, Father." ;)
 
I definitely believe we must answer at the end of our lives. Just not to a deity such as yours. Instead it is to a deity which has no interest in Love or Hate but rather Obedience and Order.

So I guess I cant throw stones, since my belief in God is based on faith, not fact.

But let's face it, you have invented your own deal based on how *you choose to live your life* and created the 'afterlife dude and his philosophy' after the fact. Meaning just something to reinforce your desires, not the other way around. You are completely doing as you choose and making the rules...and then creating some greater authority whom you infuse with validating YOUR lifestyle. (In other words, you are really the ultimate authority.)

That's fine. It really means you have no accountability since you make all the rules, but we would all like to live that way (probably).
 
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