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  • like it's the 1700's - dependent and submissive

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  • as princesses

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  • no different than how we raise our sons

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  • to be independent and strong individuals

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Thread: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    How should we be raising our daughters these days?

    Should we try to instill independence, strength, common sense, confidence, perseverance, self worth, and a strong desire to achieve great things?


    Or should we raise them to be dependent, submissive, shy, and always in need of protection? Wallflowers?


    Should we push them towards greatness?

    Or should we teach them that their place is always in the background?

    Should we have a desire for them to be the leader, the captain, the driver?

    Or should we teach them to accept always being the passenger, along for the ride but never making the decisions or steering the boat?


    Should we raise our daughters as achievers? CEO's? Entrepreneurs? Bosses?

    Or should we raise them to be followers?


    Should we tell our daughters they can be ANYTHING they wish to be? Whether it be a mother of 5 kids, or the scientist that cures cancer while stationed on Mars after having piloted the first mission to Mars?

    Or should we tell our daughters their place is to be a good, quiet, and submissive "second" to their spouse?

    Should we raise your daughters to be strong?
    Or are they to be weak and defenseless?


    How do you think our daughters should be raised today?
    I don't have daughters, but this question reminded me that one of reasons cited for the increase in eating disorders in teenage and even preteen girls is because they are being saddled with higher expectations than boys today in our culture.

    Girls are expected to excel in school by their parents, to be beautiful - by the constant barrage of messaging they receive from advertising and pop media, to achieve in sports now, to be kind, well mannered by everyone.....is it any wonder why there are so many girls with bulimia and anorexia today?
    Why should our nastiness be the baggage of an apish past and our kindness uniquely human? Why should we not seek continuity with other animals for our "noble" traits as well?
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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    We need to go back to teaching our daughters that they have a wonderful and extremely important place in the world. A role that no man can ever take over and do as well as she can. She is the foundation of a family. Her husband may be the beautiful house that everyone sees as they drive down the road, but she is the foundation, the support structure that her husband and children are built upon. She is the undisputed ruler of the home. It is her greatest achievement to create a home where her husband and family feel comfortable, loved, and supported.
    In other words, girls are only of value for their breeding potential....sounds like traditional conservative family values...I can't wait to see what the rest of this thread has to offer!
    Why should our nastiness be the baggage of an apish past and our kindness uniquely human? Why should we not seek continuity with other animals for our "noble" traits as well?
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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    The other thing, raise your daughters to not be chubby. Eating peanut butter right out of the jar is not cool. Nutella is not healthy just because it's nuts.

    Too many American women could stand to drop a couple pounds.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    That would suggest modern society is something to be emulated instead of the immoral, disgusting, and indecent cesspool which is destroying humanity that it actually IS.

    I look at it this way.... Are we Better or Worse off TODAY than we were prior to the Women's Sufferage Movement gaining traction in the early part of the 20th Century? Technologically we are immensely superior, but socially and societally I would suggest that we are incalculably inferior to the society that existed prior to the Women's Sufferage and then Femistm movements of hte 20th Century.
    Sure, blame women and the movements started by women to end their oppression, for the social degradation caused by conservative men. You brought us laissez-faire capitalism, where the only value is money and the accumulation of more money, and then you complain about moral decay!
    Why should our nastiness be the baggage of an apish past and our kindness uniquely human? Why should we not seek continuity with other animals for our "noble" traits as well?
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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    She doesn't believe in Love either, LM. For different reasons we both learned that Love does not really exist before we were 15 years old. We got to see the darkness in the human heart very early in life and understand that the only person anyone looks out for is themselves. She'll be 33 this year and I'll be 40. Neither one of us has found anything to change our view on Love over that period of time.

    The idea that parenthood changes people is one of the reasons I've never had a significant interest in it.
    You have my pity, as does she.

    You two sound great for each other...please do not have children, especially females.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Just have her read your posts regarding love, child rearing, and such.

    Have these exact same conversations with her, and answer to her like you answer to us.

    If that doesn't change her mind, you should be very afraid that you might be mixed up with a ...............
    Is he for real, or is he just another trolling idiot who just makes up ****?
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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    'We' should not be teaching our daughters to do/be anything.

    Just offer the basic necessities of life, unconditional love, answer as many of their questions of theirs as you can and allow them the freedom to find their own place in the world.

    Most parents are average at best and often pretty messed up themselves...the last thing they should be doing is trying to 'mold' another human being.

    The arrogance of most parents never ceases to amaze me.
    Most of them barely can handle their own lives...but now they think they are suddenly SO wise that they can guide another sentient human being.


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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Commie View Post
    Is he for real, or is he just another trolling idiot who just makes up ****?
    Good question. All I can say is he's consistent. I'm guessing he's more bark than bite....and hoping that as well.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Look, nowhere have I, or anyone else suggested that parents should never buy their daughters dresses, or allow them to take dance lessons, or play with dolls, or paint their nails.....or just be girls.

    This isn't about forcing your daughter to play football, wear camo, and sport a crew cut.

    Obviously girls are different than boys in many ways.

    However, that's not to say some serious gender role stereotypes still exist.

    Saying "you can't do that - you're a girl" is what I'm talking about.

    There's still plenty of people in this country who think a woman can't and shouldn't ever be the POTUS. For no other reason than being a woman. (And NO - this isn't about Hillary or anyone else in current political headlines....)

    Hell, women still don't make the same money men do for doing the same jobs.

    The Geography Of The Gender Pay Gap: Women's Earnings By State - Forbes

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    All I'm saying is - if your child, regardless of what genitalia they possess, wants to become an engineer, biologist, orthodontist, veterinarian, plumber, carpenter, electrician, teacher, nurse, EMT, police officer, home maker, pilot, or even POTUS, the parents should support and encourage that child to be the greatest they can be in that chosen field.

    Some roads might be tougher to travel, but that doesn't or shouldn't mean those roads are automatically off-limits.

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    re: How We Raise Our Daughters - 21st Century [W:87,158,368]

    Quote Originally Posted by Commie View Post
    In other words, girls are only of value for their breeding potential....sounds like traditional conservative family values...I can't wait to see what the rest of this thread has to offer!
    Not just breeding.... cooking, cleaning, keeping the house, raising the children, etc... What they are not of value for is their abilities in the workforce at large.


    Quote Originally Posted by Commie View Post
    Sure, blame women and the movements started by women to end their oppression, for the social degradation caused by conservative men. You brought us laissez-faire capitalism, where the only value is money and the accumulation of more money, and then you complain about moral decay!
    You're more than welcome to move to some Socialist/Communist country like Cuba. I'm sure the swim to get there would get you in shape if you aren't already. The problem with our economic system is that people are not actually punished for their unwillingness to participate in it because those of your political ilk (like FDR) have provided them with a safety net to keep them from starving or freezing to death. Money isn't the value.... POWER is. It has been since the beginning of time and that hasn't been any different in any Socialist/Communist system that has ever existed either.


    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    You have my pity, as does she. You two sound great for each other...please do not have children, especially females.
    Hold onto your pity for someone who gives a **** about it. We are very compatible. You'll have to talk to her about the children issue.


    Quote Originally Posted by Commie View Post
    Is he for real, or is he just another trolling idiot who just makes up ****?
    I don't have the time, creativity or energy for making stuff up.

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