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Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

Men: Would you marry an American Woman?


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Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

Anyone can say they know a sh*tload of couples together for decades. That in no way still negates the facts about the risks involved with getting involved with modern American women. Now don't you fool yourself.

Well, you go back to your crappy relationships and I'll stay with my successful one. Ever stop to think that it might not be American women, it might be you?
 
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Agreed....you can easily *see* guys on the hunt all the time. How serious they are, I dont know. Maybe just looking to have sex but I go to alot of different functions and events and there are guys there, available and looking, and that's for more than sex. Same with women I'd say.

True. I saw them at a function I was at this weekend and there wasn't a drop of alcohol in sight.
 
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No, we shouldn't automatically ignore what happens in other cultures, but I am in no way doing that. The situations are entirely different. What men in japan are responding to and how they are responding to it is entirely different than what men are responding to in America and how they are responding to it. If the situations were similar I would gladly talk of it, but they're not.

Men are men, regardless of where they're from. After adjusting for cultural norms, it's NO different - it's still insecure men who are feeling threatened by women who don't need them as much as they did before.
 
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Right on girl! Every word.

For someone who values are traditional, why not church? Politically interested? Get involved with a candidate or party. There are loads of groups representing many varied interests listed in my paper every day. The internet makes it much easier to locate events as well.

If one is truly interested, a marriageable person can be found.

I tried to hook up with the Bush twins, but they were way too conservative for my taste.
 
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Well, you go back to your crappy relationships and I'll stay with my successful one. Ever stop to think that it might not be American women, it might be you?

Glad you resorted to shaming language and ad hominems. All the more reason to write off your brand of "logic."

You can continue arguing with yourself. Have a good evening.
 
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I think so many modern marriages fail because the people go into them with the attitude that if it doesn't work out, we'll just get a divorce and that will be that. Or they go into it for self gratification rather than to form an inseparable one out of the two.

But as many have said, there are plenty of women around who want the 'what God has joined together' scenario of sharing lives together, being a witness to each other's lives, and for better or worse having each other's back. And they look for men with the same values.

Those kinds of marriages rarely ever end in divorce.
 
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Agreed....you can easily *see* guys on the hunt all the time. How serious they are, I dont know. Maybe just looking to have sex but I go to alot of different functions and events and there are guys there, available and looking, and that's for more than sex. Same with women I'd say.

Right on girl! Every word.

For someone who values are traditional, why not church? Politically interested? Get involved with a candidate or party. There are loads of groups representing many varied interests listed in my paper every day. The internet makes it much easier to locate events as well.

If one is truly interested, a marriageable person can be found.

No one said that they weren't around.

These days, however; they simply tend to be the exception, rather than the rule in demographics under thirty.

Frankly, the fact that it is even necessary to basically bend over backwards to find anyone interested in something halfway serious (and even then, the vast majority of such relationships ultimately wind up ending in divorce) should really tell you something about the state of gender relations in our current society in and of itself.
 
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The fact that lots of people are bad at it in no way disproves my point. :roll:
It wasn't meant to :roll:

I made a statement about myself, not about your comment. You aren't addressing my points, and so I'm not addressing yours; which in turn proves my argument that Americans do not act in good faith towards each-other.

Better is to believe in a magic sky fairy than be so self-centered and naive.

Marriage is at-will, not a commitment for life. Your wife can walk away at any moment, the sooner your realize that, the better.
 
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Especially when over 70% of divorces are initiated by women.

A modern American woman can literally cash in her marriage when she feels like it, at the detriment of the husband, who will be broke for the next 20 years. Or for the rest of his life.

LMAO Yeah...blame women completely when they are only HALF the equation.

Is this really a surprise? I'd dump him too for cheating. More women would (and should IMO) except for the kids' sake.

Top 10 Reasons Why Women Divorce | Cindy Holbrook | YourTango


Not all have it at Number 1 but it's always in the short list. However the other top reasons certainly show *why* the blame doesnt all fall on the woman. Again..men are just pissed off that women now HAVE more options and independence and dont have to accept bad marriages anymore. (that 'control thing.)

Why Are Most Divorces Filed by Women?

"A generation ago, women were less likely to file for divorce if in an unhappy or abusive marriage. Most were financially dependent on their spouse and feared the social stigma of divorce.

Today women are more likely to have careers of their own, are less financially dependent on their spouse and no longer fear the social stigma of divorce. Women are more educated and more empowered, which keeps them from accepting abuse or a marriage that is not meeting their needs.

Below Are A Few Reasons Why Most Divorces Are Initiated By Women:

1. Seeking Relief From a Bad Marriage

2. Escape Domestic Abuse

3. Women are Less Tolerant of Infidelity"


Men want to be able to be crap husbands and now have much less power to stop women from having to deal with them. They dont like the 'less power' thing.
 
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'Racial' characteristics?

You had a 'racial' criteria?

You're the outlier here so please spare us the moral superiority schtick. This cheap peacocking of yours is tiring to read. Here's the deal:

White women prefer white men to the exclusion of everyone else—and Asian and Hispanic women prefer them even more exclusively. These three types of women only respond well to white men. More significantly, these groups’ reply rates to non-whites is terrible. Asian women write back non-white males at 21.9%, Hispanic women at 22.9%, and white women at 23.0%. It’s here where things get interesting, for white women in particular. If you look at the match-by-race table before this one, the “should-look-like” one, you see that white women have an above-average compatibility with almost every group. Yet they only reply well to guys who look like them.​
 
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You make men sound like such delicate flowers who can't achieve without the help of a woman. You also make them sound shallow and childish.

Are infertile & childless women who yearn to have a baby also delicate flowers who sound shallow and childish when they express their frustration with the hand that they've been dealt and engage in coping mechanisms to deal with their situation in life?
 
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No one said that they weren't around.

These days, however; they simply tend to be the exception, rather than the rule in demographics under thirty.

Frankly, the fact that it is even necessary to basically bend over backwards to find anyone interested in something halfway serious (and even then, the vast majority of such relationships ultimately wind up ending in divorce) should really tell you something about the state of gender relations in our current society in and of itself.

So it's their own fault then. Of course it is. As Gina said...if that's where you look for girls (bars, clubs) dont be surprised by the kind of girls you find.

And what was implied in my post is that all you have to do is go out and DO something and you can meet people. And they'll know people. And you have a good chance of meeting someone you actually have something in common with. Why waste time *trolling?* Go DO something for the sake of doing it and see what happens. You dont have to DO something only for the purpose of sex or relationships.

Does this really have to be explained? And if it does...like I said....it's the guy's or woman's responsibility if they cant manage their romantic lives. These arent secrets!
 
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True. I saw them at a function I was at this weekend and there wasn't a drop of alcohol in sight.

Apparently some people want mates delivered to them on silver platters. :doh
 
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You're the outlier here so please spare us the moral superiority schtick. This cheap peacocking of yours is tiring to read. Here's the deal:

White women prefer white men to the exclusion of everyone else—and Asian and Hispanic women prefer them even more exclusively. These three types of women only respond well to white men. More significantly, these groups’ reply rates to non-whites is terrible. Asian women write back non-white males at 21.9%, Hispanic women at 22.9%, and white women at 23.0%. It’s here where things get interesting, for white women in particular. If you look at the match-by-race table before this one, the “should-look-like” one, you see that white women have an above-average compatibility with almost every group. Yet they only reply well to guys who look like them.​

IMO that only shows that they are playing the odds for finding a 'successful' man, rather than a preference for white skin color. There are more white males in the US and a higher percentage of them are successful....a playing field that hopefully is becoming more level tho.
 
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Your "point" is that you think men deserve respect instead of needing to earn it. Your entitlement **** ain't playing well.

This is a general question which riffs off your observation. In contemporary society men are still bound to certain attitudes towards women, things they can't do to women which they can do to men, like arguing and getting in someone's face, watching our language, watching sexual innuendo, etc. There is a whole code that still exists which binds men to treat women in certain ways.

What is the counterpart code which binds all women to treat men in certain ways? What courtesies do women grant to men that they don't grant to other women?
 
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This farce of a thread is what happens when someone stops looking at females as a collection of individuals, each with their own desires and outlook on life and look at women as a group which is lacking desired traits from nearly 60 years ago in terms of what is mainstream America.

Your farce of a response is what happens when you pretend that we're all atomized from each other and there exists no such thing as culture, something that binds common features onto individuals.
 
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LMAO Yeah...blame women completely when they are only HALF the equation.

Is this really a surprise? I'd dump him too for cheating. More women would (and should IMO) except for the kids' sake.

Top 10 Reasons Why Women Divorce | Cindy Holbrook | YourTango


Not all have it at Number 1 but it's always in the short list. However the other top reasons certainly show *why* the blame doesnt all fall on the woman. Again..men are just pissed off that women now HAVE more options and independence and dont have to accept bad marriages anymore. (that 'control thing.)

Why Are Most Divorces Filed by Women?

"A generation ago, women were less likely to file for divorce if in an unhappy or abusive marriage. Most were financially dependent on their spouse and feared the social stigma of divorce.

Today women are more likely to have careers of their own, are less financially dependent on their spouse and no longer fear the social stigma of divorce. Women are more educated and more empowered, which keeps them from accepting abuse or a marriage that is not meeting their needs.

Below Are A Few Reasons Why Most Divorces Are Initiated By Women:

1. Seeking Relief From a Bad Marriage

2. Escape Domestic Abuse

3. Women are Less Tolerant of Infidelity"


Men want to be able to be crap husbands and now have much less power to stop women from having to deal with them. They dont like the 'less power' thing.

Feminist articles showcasing women and their unrealistic standards via hypergamy. Am I supposed to be impressed that those articles are stereotyping men as nothing but low-down, abusive cheaters?

You keep assuming men are jealous that women are able to be a paper pusher or a nurse nowadays. Sadly mistaken.
 
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I take exception to the claim that ALL of the U.S. population growth is the segment you describe as welfare dependent.

Ahem:

These advances are especially impressive because the massive immigration of unskilled Hispanic workers inflated the ranks of the poor. From 1990 to 2007, the entire increase in official poverty was among Hispanics.​
 
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Feminist articles showcasing women and their unrealistic standards via hypergamy. Am I supposed to be impressed that those articles are stereotyping men as nothing but low-down, abusive cheaters?

You keep assuming men are jealous that women are able to be a paper pusher or a nurse nowadays. Sadly mistaken.

You keep using the word 'jealous' which I said was ridiculous earlier. That's not even implied. I'm not sure you understand the definition of that word. What is widely recognized is that some men resent the power and control they used to have over women.

And those are just a couple of articles....go down the list on Google...they all say basically the same thing. No matter what the 'mainstream' source. It's childish to dismiss these just because they dont agree with your views.

You also post with a very heavily bias....those articles imply no such thing...they just give reasons why women are asking for divorces. So it only applies there where such men have fit your description...not to all men. Your pre-conceived notions blind you.
 
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This is a general question which riffs off your observation. In contemporary society men are still bound to certain attitudes towards women, things they can't do to women which they can do to men, like arguing and getting in someone's face, watching our language, watching sexual innuendo, etc. There is a whole code that still exists which binds men to treat women in certain ways.

What is the counterpart code which binds all women to treat men in certain ways? What courtesies do women grant to men that they don't grant to other women?

Men are not bound by that "code", any more than woman are bound to respect men. Society has, as it always does, changed with time.
 
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So it's their own fault then. Of course it is. As Gina said...if that's where you look for girls (bars, clubs) dont be surprised by the kind of girls you find.

And what was implied in my post is that all you have to do is go out and DO something and you can meet people. And they'll know people. And you have a good chance of meeting someone you actually have something in common with. Why waste time *trolling?* Go DO something for the sake of doing it and see what happens. You dont have to DO something only for the purpose of sex or relationships.

Does this really have to be explained? And if it does...like I said....it's the guy's or woman's responsibility if they cant manage their romantic lives. These arent secrets!

I'm sorry, but you're simply out of touch with modern reality on this subject. The bar and club scene is the established standard for under 30 gender interaction in our current culture.

This is the case largely due to the fact that younger generations of men and women alike have been, by and large, conditioned not to take relationships particularly seriously. In many cases, as a matter of fact, they barely even view them as being necessary in the first place.

While it certainly isn't impossible to meet people who are more serious in this regard (if you have the economic means to actually attract their interest), you've basically got to bend over backwards to find them. They are, as I said before, the exception, not the rule.

You're generally not going to stumble upon them by "happy accident" as such.
 
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This is a general question which riffs off your observation. In contemporary society men are still bound to certain attitudes towards women, things they can't do to women which they can do to men, like arguing and getting in someone's face, watching our language, watching sexual innuendo, etc. There is a whole code that still exists which binds men to treat women in certain ways.

What is the counterpart code which binds all women to treat men in certain ways? What courtesies do women grant to men that they don't grant to other women?


Not women granting to men, but *society* granting to men. Like men who are promiscuous are lauded as 'real men' and women are sluts. Men can be outspoken in a business meeting, but women are bitches. Men working outside the home are breadwinners, women are selfish and 'want to have it all.'

There are a million double standards out there that bend over backwards for men.

(And btw, there are also loads of those 'courtesies' that women DO accord men but because of their egos, we make them unobtrusive. Like not interfering when men want to get into a fight, even tho we know our man will probably lose because it's better he lose a fight than lose face. We 'allow' men to think alot of things to protect their egos, even to the point of letting them help us when we dont even need help.)
 
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So because you have chosen to stop trying to date, you feel there is a groundswell of other guys like yourself. Now I see. Having sons in your demographic, my personal experience with them, indicates otherwise. When I include my daughter's male friends, co-workers and acquaintances, the same can be said.

You apparently have a pretty narrow window on the world. Don't take that as an insult because most people are like this. Our social worlds are very heavily restricted into fairly narrow categories. For instance, most couples with an IQ of 115 don't really have any IQ 85 people in their social world. The gaps between them are too large to bridge and there is less in common upon which to base a friendship.

Your daughters interact with young men, that's no surprise, but it doesn't tell us anything, nor does it tell you anything, to observe this fact. What you're not observing is the young men that your daughters don't want to have anything to do with, young men like these guys - The New York Times:

North Carolina, with a student body that is nearly 60 percent female, is just one of many large universities that at times feel eerily like women’s colleges. . .

Jayne Dallas, a senior studying advertising who was seated across the table, grumbled that the population of male undergraduates was even smaller when you looked at it as a dating pool. “Out of that 40 percent, there are maybe 20 percent that we would consider, and out of those 20, 10 have girlfriends, so all the girls are fighting over that other 10 percent,” she said.

Needless to say, this puts guys in a position to play the field, and tends to mean that even the ones willing to make a commitment come with storied romantic histories. Rachel Sasser, a senior history major at the table, said that before she and her boyfriend started dating, he had “hooked up with a least five of my friends in my sorority — that I know of.” . . .

“It’s awesome being a guy,” admitted Garret Jones, another North Carolina senior, but he also lamented a culture that fostered hook-ups over relationships. This year, he said, he finally found a serious girlfriend.

Indeed, there are a fair number of Mr. Lonelyhearts on campus. “Even though there’s this huge imbalance between the sexes, it still doesn’t change the fact of guys sitting around, bemoaning their single status,” said Patrick Hooper, a Georgia senior. “It’s the same as high school, but the women are even more enchanting and beautiful.”​

Think about that. Women are bemoaning the gender imbalance 60:40 and they're still cutting out about half of the guys on campus as not being date-worth, so now the imbalance grows to 60:20, a 3:1 ratio. When your daughter introduces you to her male friends, it's a pretty good bet that her male friends are not drawn from the pool of men near the bottom of the totem pole. You don't get to see them. Imagine how much it burns for these guys, a sea of women and the women are all setting their sights on the top guys, not just the girls who are 10s being interested in men who are 10s, but even the 6s are setting out on getting the 10s. Read the article because I didn't quote the parts about what these women put up with in terms of cheating from their men in order to keep a hold of their guys. They'd rather be walked all over than sink into the gutter and pair up in a 5 to 5 or a 7 to 7 or a 3 to 3 relationship.
 
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I'm sorry, but you're simply out of touch with modern reality on this subject. The bar and club scene is the established standard for under 30 gender interaction in our current culture.

This is the case largely due to the fact that younger generations of men and women alike have been conditioned not to take relationships particularly seriously, or even really view them as being necessary, in the first place.

While it certainly isn't impossible to meet people who are more serious in this regard (if you have the economic means to actually attract their interest), you've basically got to bend over backwards to find them. They are, as I said before, the exception, not the rule.

You're generally not going to stumble upon them by accident as such.

Who cares what the standard is? If it doesnt work...how stupid are you all? We all did that in my earlier days too, it's not new. DIdnt really work all that well...met lots of guys, most not worth much. So it's not 'this generation.' That's a dumb excuse and really disrespects them all.

And yet there is whining about having to bend over backwards to find a woman?????

It's not 'accidental' if you actually have a life and go out and do things with other people.

There are a million ways to meet people and it's not a secret. If 'that generation' CHOOSES to rely on a method that doesnt work...good, maybe they wont reproduce.

Edit: My girlfriend just retired to FL. She's a runner...costs her sneakers. She joined a running group...met lots of people and has had some dates. Get over the excuses...has nothing to do with money once you know someone thru a group or organization and arent just a body in a bar. Money matters alot less when you actually know the person. You are so full of excuses it's pathetic.
 
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Men are not bound by that "code", any more than woman are bound to respect men. Society has, as it always does, changed with time.

I should inform my human resource officer to stop booking those mind numbing sexual harassment workshops then. If I can be as free in my use of language with women as I can with men, then the need for all of these codes can't be defended.
 
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