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Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?
Yet you can't identify those similarities and support them with evidence. You even had to go as far as inanely claiming that Japan is a post-feminist society when it's actually one of the worst for gender equality amongst all the industrialized nations
In Japan, they live with their parents forever, not just into their 20's. It's qualitatively different.
And here's another instance of you seeing things that aren't there. There is no mention of it being associated with a social stigma and certainly not the way it is in the US
So now you're contradicting your own claims that you've made that kids today are having too much sex. Suddenly, you believe they're having very little sex.
Now you're using a feminist argument that even you don't believe. That is pretty dishonest.
As you said, actions matter. If you wanted to be married, you would be married - just like you described the Japanese.
If you wanted to be married, you could be.
No, you're just imagining that.
Your link goes to an article about orange juice. Not sure what that has to do with this discussion :lamo
I posted proof that it has been going down for the last 30 years.
The first I have already agreed are similar, but even you have admitted that they are primarily due to economic factors not cultural ones so it's not because the Japanese are abandoning traditional values.
The fact that they engage in sexual discrimination is another indication that they are clinging to traditional values. And the economic stagnation is only a few years in most of the western nations. In Japan, it's been going on for 30 years. Maybe in 25 years, you'll have a point.
I guess you know more about what they can afford than they do :roll:
Actually what has been established is that american men are whiners.
I already have, but feel free to post some evidence that contradicts the facts I've posted. So far, you've posted nothing to show how single men in Japan are making enough to support a family
Yes, charts showing the employment rates for single men and women in Japan are no more credible than an internet poll of 300 self-selected people. :roll:
I'm sorry, but I disagree. There are far more similarities than there are differences.
The only differences are a matter of degree, not fundamental structure.
Yet you can't identify those similarities and support them with evidence. You even had to go as far as inanely claiming that Japan is a post-feminist society when it's actually one of the worst for gender equality amongst all the industrialized nations
Are you really going to deny that persons living at home well into their twenties has become more common over the course of the last decade in the United States?
A record 21.6 million millennials live with Mom and Dad
Get real, Sangha. :roll:
Again, the same issues exist here as exist in Japan. The only difference is the matter of degree.
In Japan, they live with their parents forever, not just into their 20's. It's qualitatively different.
No, it is associated with being a loser in Japan after a certain age as well. These men would not have picked up the derogatory "grass eating" moniker they currently carry otherwise.
Herbivore Men
And here's another instance of you seeing things that aren't there. There is no mention of it being associated with a social stigma and certainly not the way it is in the US
Over 50% of unmarried men and women under the age of thirty report not having had sex within the last year.
The Kinsey Institute
The decline of dating also well documented.
So now you're contradicting your own claims that you've made that kids today are having too much sex. Suddenly, you believe they're having very little sex.
Who, according to many feminists in this country, are being discriminated against, make less money than their males peers, and are often passed over for promotions due to their children.
They make it work.
Now you're using a feminist argument that even you don't believe. That is pretty dishonest.
Prove that their situation has anything whatsoever to do with mine.
As you said, actions matter. If you wanted to be married, you would be married - just like you described the Japanese.
I'm 25. I have the luxury.
Many of the people in Japan we are discussing are in their mid to late thirties.
If they wanted to be married, they could be.
If you wanted to be married, you could be.
It would appear that many women prefer their temp jobs to the prospect of marriage.
No, you're just imagining that.
Your link goes to an article about orange juice. Not sure what that has to do with this discussion :lamo
It has been trending no where but up for the last several years.
I posted proof that it has been going down for the last 30 years.
Low birth rates, low marriage rates, sexual discrimination in the work force, and stagnant economies hampering youth economic opportunities are universal in the industrialized world today.
The first I have already agreed are similar, but even you have admitted that they are primarily due to economic factors not cultural ones so it's not because the Japanese are abandoning traditional values.
The fact that they engage in sexual discrimination is another indication that they are clinging to traditional values. And the economic stagnation is only a few years in most of the western nations. In Japan, it's been going on for 30 years. Maybe in 25 years, you'll have a point.
Again, that is their perception. It is not necessarily reality.
Why don't you stop evading the question and post some sources detailing costs of living in Japan and what it costs to raise a family?
I guess you know more about what they can afford than they do :roll:
All that has been established so far is that Japanese men and women alike are whiners, who would rather not even try to raise a family than put in the effort to make the situation work.
Actually what has been established is that american men are whiners.
Post up the data then.
How does average income compare with the bare minimum (i.e. not the 'ideal') required to raise a family?
I already have, but feel free to post some evidence that contradicts the facts I've posted. So far, you've posted nothing to show how single men in Japan are making enough to support a family
It's exactly as credible as anything you have provided so far.
Yes, charts showing the employment rates for single men and women in Japan are no more credible than an internet poll of 300 self-selected people. :roll: