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Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

Men: Would you marry an American Woman?


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Oh and btw, there is little doubt many of your comments in this thread Lursa are sexist. The little attack on men you had in your unanswerable question was sexist and this crap about how anyone that complains wants to "return to traditional gender roles" or how they are unattractive is sexist bull****.

Every discussion between men and women is 'sexist' these days, at least by the more 'sensitive' sort. Lursa also appears to handle her opinions very well.

If the discussion offends you, you know what to do.
 
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I married a girl from Thailand and we just celebrated our 45th wedding anniversary. The problem here is after so many years back in the states, they become Americanized. Must be something in the water here.
 
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I married a girl from Thailand and we just celebrated our 45th wedding anniversary. The problem here is after so many years back in the states, they become Americanized. Must be something in the water here.

 
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I married a girl from Thailand and we just celebrated our 45th wedding anniversary. The problem here is after so many years back in the states, they become Americanized. Must be something in the water here.
flouride

just ask dr strangelove
 
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Actually, the problem in Japan is not that the women are too picky; It's that they are adhering to closely to the traditional gender norms where the wife stays home and it's the man's job to provide. The problem is, Japan's economy is not supplying enough well-paying jobs for men so there are not enough Japanese men who can fulfill their traditional role

I think that may have been a guess. Why have young people in Japan stopped having sex? | World news | The Observer
 
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I don't think the bolded is it at all. I think that men want someone who not only loves them, but likes them as well, and is willing to work at having a relationship, rather than running out the door at the first sign of trouble. My experience and observation over the past 35-40 years is that women are usually the party in a marriage that doesn't have what it takes to make it last. They give up easily, and they don't want to accept men as they are, but they do expect men to accept them as they are. It's very mixed signals.

Female solipsism is a very strong force in play here. Societal and institutional checks which work to keep it constrained make everyone happier.
 
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Women call them careers; men call them jobs.

Glad you've shown your ignorance early.

Every discussion between men and women is 'sexist' these days, at least by the more 'sensitive' sort.

Do you know the definition of "sexist?"
 
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Every discussion between men and women is 'sexist' these days, at least by the more 'sensitive' sort. Lursa also appears to handle her opinions very well.

If the discussion offends you, you know what to do.

Oh please, as soon as she saw that men were complaining she just assumed it was a desire to make women their inferiors. Lursa's comment was sexist, and frankly, I have seen Lursa be sexist on this forum plenty of times.
 
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Oh please, as soon as she saw that men were complaining she just assumed it was a desire to make women their inferiors. Lursa's comment was sexist, and frankly, I have seen Lursa be sexist on this forum plenty of times.

To this point, she pretty much admitted flat out that when she read the description of the book when she saw the words marriage and kids she had a preconceived notion that men were desiring to make women their inferiors and that the book was expressing this desire. Where would that little preconceived notion come from you think and why would someone have it? Isn't it a bit interesting that she couldn't help herself to express it? Lursa is a sexist, and she can deny it all she wants but I have plenty of evidence towards it.
 
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Which is exactly what I said in the first place. Our culture is basically headed down the same road as Japan, where women have become so picky as to render relationship seeking futile, so a great many men have simply given up and stopped looking. This is not a desirable state of affairs.

Japan in one sense, but also Saudi Arabia in a different sense. Our culture is moving to a polygamous future like that seen in the Middle East. I don't necessarily mean one man having 4 wives though, I mean a high value male having access to many women for decades long stretches. In Saudi Arabia many women actually choose to be the 2nd, 3rd or 4th wife of a wealthy, respected man rather than the only wife of a goat herder. In the West, with women mostly being economically self-sufficient, the equation changes by moving the focus away from security and more towards tingles. Many women would rather invest lot's of time and effort in capturing the Leader of the Pack, the Rockstar, the Big Man, and will be part of his harem until they realize that he's not going to get rid of the harem and devote himself to her. Many of these women are by then all dried up and their SMV is drastically reduced.

For men, the results here in America are the same as in Saudi Arabia - top dogs get a disproportionate share of women and the men on the bottom are left womenless.
 
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Isn't the problem actually that most of them are deliberately going out of their way to avoid traditional gender norms which they find to be "troublesome" by remaining single and financially independent in the first place?

No, actually that is not the problem

In Japan, both men and women are actively seeking potential mates. The problem is that there are not enough men who make enough money to support a family, and not enough women who will accept a non-traditional marriage that requires that she work full-time

Sure, they'll pay lip service to the idea of marriage and family (as most women with that kind of lifestyle will), but they're generally not going to rush out to marry a man unless he is the very "cream of the crop." As such men tend to be rare, this naturally leads many of them to simply remain indefinitely single.

You are making that up. You do not know anything about what the young Japanese singles are doing. I have already posted the data for you. If you like, I can post it again.

This way, you can ignore it again.
 
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No, actually that is not the problem

In Japan, both men and women are actively seeking potential mates. The problem is that there are not enough men who make enough money to support a family, and not enough women who will accept a non-traditional marriage that requires that she work full-time



You are making that up. You do not know anything about what the young Japanese singles are doing. I have already posted the data for you. If you like, I can post it again.

This way, you can ignore it again.

I'd have to agree with you. I do not fully comprehend why so many westerners make assumptions on asia and how we are living our traditions
 
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Japan in one sense, but also Saudi Arabia in a different sense. Our culture is moving to a polygamous future like that seen in the Middle East. I don't necessarily mean one man having 4 wives though, I mean a high value male having access to many women for decades long stretches. In Saudi Arabia many women actually choose to be the 2nd, 3rd or 4th wife of a wealthy, respected man rather than the only wife of a goat herder. In the West, with women mostly being economically self-sufficient, the equation changes by moving the focus away from security and more towards tingles. Many women would rather invest lot's of time and effort in capturing the Leader of the Pack, the Rockstar, the Big Man, and will be part of his harem until they realize that he's not going to get rid of the harem and devote himself to her. Many of these women are by then all dried up and their SMV is drastically reduced.

For men, the results here in America are the same as in Saudi Arabia - top dogs get a disproportionate share of women and the men on the bottom are left womenless.

What it basically results in is men serving as "studs" for the purposes of breeding and sex, without any real attachment to either the woman in question or her offspring. After all, a lone "alpha male" can easily wrack up hundreds of different conquests and short term relationships over the course of his life time, and never give a second thought to any of them on a long term basis.

This is exactly the situation we have seen develop in the African American community over the course of the last few decades with their rampant "baby momma" culture, as a matter of fact. Desirable men basically move from one woman to another like animals while leaving trails of fatherless children in their wake.

The "bourgeois" version of this trend is arguably a bit cleaner, but might actually be worse in the long run, due to the prevalence of birth control among more educated and moneyed demographics. Not only can these people have a tendency to opt out of long term relationships in favor of meaningless, uncommitted, or "casual" trysts, but, under most circumstances, they're not even reproducing in the process either.

If this results in unproductive persons coming to outnumber the productive, this could potentially become rather problematic for our society as a whole.
 
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Japan in one sense, but also Saudi Arabia in a different sense. Our culture is moving to a polygamous future like that seen in the Middle East. I don't necessarily mean one man having 4 wives though, I mean a high value male having access to many women for decades long stretches. In Saudi Arabia many women actually choose to be the 2nd, 3rd or 4th wife of a wealthy, respected man rather than the only wife of a goat herder. In the West, with women mostly being economically self-sufficient, the equation changes by moving the focus away from security and more towards tingles. Many women would rather invest lot's of time and effort in capturing the Leader of the Pack, the Rockstar, the Big Man, and will be part of his harem until they realize that he's not going to get rid of the harem and devote himself to her. Many of these women are by then all dried up and their SMV is drastically reduced.

For men, the results here in America are the same as in Saudi Arabia - top dogs get a disproportionate share of women and the men on the bottom are left womenless.

Yeah, women are just like capital. There'll be a significant societal ***** gap along with the wealth gap. :roll:

Do you have any female friends?
 
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No, actually that is not the problem

In Japan, both men and women are actively seeking potential mates. The problem is that there are not enough men who make enough money to support a family, and not enough women who will accept a non-traditional marriage that requires that she work full-time

You are making that up. You do not know anything about what the young Japanese singles are doing. I have already posted the data for you. If you like, I can post it again.

This way, you can ignore it again.

If they were "actively seeking potential mates," they would have them. It's that simple.

Regardless of what they might happen to say on the subject, the fact of the matter is that their actions show their true intent. Men and women alike are choosing to remain single out of materialistic personal convenience.
 
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Disrespect is a 2 way street...if you don't respect yourself or the woman/man you are with you can't expect respect in return.

Respect of all degrees - in schools, workplace, marriages, for the elderly, etc. is sorely lacking in todays society.....I grew up in a generation where I was taught to respect my elders, superiors like a boss or teacher or metor, parents, etc....I don't see that kind of respect taught in today's generation.
 
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In Japan, both men and women are actively seeking potential mates. The problem is that there are not enough men who make enough money to support a family, and not enough women who will accept a non-traditional marriage that requires that she work full-time

Japanese Herbivores


Media Shakers, a consulting company that is a subsidiary of Dentsu, the country's largest advertising agency, estimates that 60 percent of men in their early 20s and at least 42 percent of men aged 23 to 34 consider themselves grass-eating men. Partner Agent, a Japanese dating agency, found in a survey that 61 percent of unmarried men in their 30s identified themselves as herbivores. Of the 1,000 single men in their 20s and 30s polled by Lifenet, a Japanese life-insurance company, 75 percent described themselves as grass-eating men.

Japanese companies are worried that herbivorous boys aren't the status-conscious consumers their parents once were. They love to putter around the house. According to Media Shakers' research, they are more likely to want to spend time by themselves or with close friends, more likely to shop for things to decorate their homes, and more likely to buy little luxuries than big-ticket items. They prefer vacationing in Japan to venturing abroad. They're often close to their mothers and have female friends, but they're in no rush to get married themselves, according to Maki Fukasawa, the Japanese editor and columnist who coined the term in NB Online in 2006.

Grass-eating boys' commitment phobia is not the only thing that's worrying Japanese women. Unlike earlier generations of Japanese men, they prefer not to make the first move, they like to split the bill, and they're not particularly motivated by sex. "I spent the night at one guy's house, and nothing happened—we just went to sleep!" moaned one incredulous woman on a TV program devoted to herbivores. "It's like something's missing with them," said Yoko Yatsu, a 34-year-old housewife, in an interview. "If they were more normal, they'd be more interested in women. They'd at least want to talk to women."

Many of Hosho's friends spend so much time playing computer games that they prefer the company of cyber women to the real thing. And the Internet, he says, has helped make alternative lifestyles more acceptable.​

Keep in mind that Japan is ground zero with respect to Love Dolls, too. If only a certain type of man meets the requirements of women, the men who don't have a chance of meeting that threshold just give up. They retreat into a world of playing games, living minimally, paying for hookers, and hanging with friends. There's definitely something weird happening here. The aversion to sex which sometimes creeps in looks like more guys are not bothering to try because they don't want to fail, either in their attempt or if successful in getting sex they don't want to be rejected as failures in life by the woman, so simply easier to withdraw than to be humiliated. Honor and loss of face is a terrible blow.
 
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Yeah, women are just like capital. There'll be a significant societal ***** gap along with the wealth gap. :roll:

Well, that "***** gap" is actually the historical norm before the rise of some civilizations brought about gender socialism.

Do you have any female friends?

Do Love Dolls count?
 
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Well, that "***** gap" is actually the historical norm before the rise of some civilizations brought about gender socialism.

It would take an educated male populace to realize that women are depreciable assets.
 
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If they were "actively seeking potential mates," they would have them. It's that simple.

Not if there aren't enough suitable mates.

Regardless of what they might happen to say on the subject, the fact of the matter is that their actions show their true intent. Men and women alike are choosing to remain single out of materialistic personal convenience.

True, not marrying men who are not suitable for them and marrying the men who are suitable for them proves that their intent is to marry men who are suitable.

Your argument is like saying that you have chosen to remain single and without a career or a home of your own out of materialistic personal convenience
 
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I dont know. I guess there are caricatures out here in real life but I dont associate with them. I have one foot solidly in the liberal high tech world professionally and one foot solidly in a the rural western lifestyle. Two opposites and in neither do I see any men *with brains* being minimized or not being 'men.' They are pretty different but they are 'men' and respected and in healthy...and not-so-healthy...relationships all the same. I dont hang out with alot of twenty-somethings but the people I do hang out with see TV and movies as just that...fiction. And they do not attempt to emulate that, they see it for the (mostly crappy) entertainment it is. And they dont teach their kids that either.

I'm glad that you don't see much of that around you. Sadly, however, the growth of loser men fulfilling low expectations and therefore seeming to be unsuitable matches for high-achieving women is a real trend in our society today. No one (generally) sets out to copy entertainment, but the value systems and social assumptions that we surround ourselves with and ingest shape our behavior.
 
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Not if there aren't enough suitable mates.

True, not marrying men who are not suitable for them and marrying the men who are suitable for them proves that their intent is to marry men who are suitable.

Then their standards are too high, which is a personal choice on their own part.

Again, many women who remain unmarried and childless in our own society claim the same thing; that they're "just waiting for the right guy," time, circumstances, or etca. The simple fact of the matter is that it's all nothing more than self-rationalizing B.S., meant to justify life decisions that they feel to be outside of established norms.

If they wanted to be married with children, they would be. They're simply putting other priorities first.
 
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Yeah, women are just like capital. There'll be a significant societal ***** gap along with the wealth gap.

That only happens in polygamous societies. Though it does happen, and is one of the major reasons why those societies are less stable and more prone to violence.
 
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